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France has had protests like these for a couple years, specifically back when they wanted to raise the age to retire. Couple that with close proximity to ISIS areas and fear/anger at immigrants, I'm not surprised France is having this many problems.
It's the same stuff England is having, only France is closer to the Middle East.
Muslims like most religions have 2 sides, one that promotes peace and the other that promotes religious zealotry, right now with the influx of refugees into Europe many places in Europe are breaking into combat zones like this or major protests, take notes, we might see this in America soon, if not already, problem with taking in refugees is there is no way to keep out all the radical elements and once they get a foothold they can and will grow stronger.
here is a video of some guy in England talking about such situations (I think?):
Goliath wrote: Yeah, for one there's no rain in that video, whilst Paris is currently breaking out the flood defenses due to torrential rain.
Basically, the various bits of footage are from videos of strikes over the past couple of years.
yes and no, Paris is not under Muslim Siege, but there are riots going on in France and such and while not all are muslim lead some are. but most of the riots going on in Paris seem to be youth led in revolt of new changes in the laws and such.
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Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
Asterios wrote: Muslims like most religions have 2 sides, one that promotes peace and the other that promotes religious zealotry, right now with the influx of refugees into Europe many places in Europe are breaking into combat zones like this or major protests, take notes, we might see this in America soon, if not already, problem with taking in refugees is there is no way to keep out all the radical elements and once they get a foothold they can and will grow stronger.
here is a video of some guy in England talking about such situations (I think?):
Firstly, the video isn't actually happening. It's misinformation provided by a website that makes stuff up for the purpose of fanning the flames.
Secondly "some guy" is Paul Weston, a right wing politician whom hsa previously been a member of the EDL and the BNP, both of which are widely renowned as "the groups you join if you want a group you can be racist with"
Basically, the various bits of footage are from videos of strikes over the past couple of years.
But Muslim savages! MUSLIM SAVAGES! No ordinary savage, mind you, but Muslim savages.
I mean, I'm sure there are probably quite a few muslims in the video. But that's because muslims are people (shocking, I know), and people have jobs, and people with jobs in france have been striking.
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I still remember when someone thought I was a member of the BNP.
Good feeling that.
Prestor Jon wrote: Because children don't have any legal rights until they're adults. A minor is the responsiblity of the parent and has no legal rights except through his/her legal guardian or parent.
Asterios wrote: Muslims like most religions have 2 sides, one that promotes peace and the other that promotes religious zealotry, right now with the influx of refugees into Europe many places in Europe are breaking into combat zones like this or major protests, take notes, we might see this in America soon, if not already, problem with taking in refugees is there is no way to keep out all the radical elements and once they get a foothold they can and will grow stronger.
here is a video of some guy in England talking about such situations (I think?):
Firstly, the video isn't actually happening. It's misinformation provided by a website that makes stuff up for the purpose of fanning the flames.
Secondly "some guy" is Paul Weston, a right wing politician whom hsa previously been a member of the EDL and the BNP, both of which are widely renowned as "the groups you join if you want a group you can be racist with"
Basically, the various bits of footage are from videos of strikes over the past couple of years.
But Muslim savages! MUSLIM SAVAGES! No ordinary savage, mind you, but Muslim savages.
I mean, I'm sure there are probably quite a few muslims in the video. But that's because muslims are people (shocking, I know), and people have jobs, and people with jobs in france have been striking.
no clue who paul weston is nor care, think hes a little off his rocker if you ask me, but oh well, as to the riots in Paris in such, the media have not blocked them out but rightfully named the instigators as youth and such, now as to this video, its hard to say if it is accurate or not, snopes said other videos are not, but it does not give nor invalidate the validity of this video either. since the video was posted yesterday, furthermore there is Muslim Characters on the walls in the pic, so until all the facts are in I will reserve my judgement.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
That's of course not to say the French won't burn stuff at the drop of a hat (or a tyre or a sheep) if they decide to strike. Which they do......whenever something even slightly wrinkles their Unions......which is often......quite often when the sun come out and they fancy some extra time off........like last week.
Of course their government is trying to alter their labour laws and benefits system.
Don't worry it will all be sorted for August when they go for their Summer Holidays.
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notprop wrote: That's of course not to say the French won't burn stuff at the drop of a hat (or a tyre or a sheep) if they decide to strike. Which they do......whenever something even slightly wrinkles their Unions......which is often......quite often when the sun come out and they fancy some extra time off........like last week.
Of course their government is trying to alter their labour laws and benefits system.
Don't worry it will all be sorted for August when they go for their Summer Holidays.
that is basically at the heart of most of Paris's Riots
the sun came up lets riot.
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
So these are old videos rehashed? I get that some whackadoo wants to dogpile on Muslims... which is bad. So that initial youtube definitely appears misleading.
However, WHAT is the protest about? Is one thing? (ie Labor strife?).
whembly wrote: So these are old videos rehashed? I get that some whackadoo wants to dogpile on Muslims... which is bad. So that initial youtube definitely appears misleading.
However, WHAT is the protest about? Is one thing? (ie Labor strife?).
The changes to labor laws doesn't seem to warrant all that violence though (even though I'm not sure if it'd help with the unemployment issues)... which is why I asked if there were other, underlining issues.
The changes to labor laws doesn't seem to warrant all that violence though (even though I'm not sure if it'd help with the unemployment issues)... which is why I asked if there were other, underlining issues.
its France, what else do they need?
Thinks Palladium books screwed the pooch on the Robotech project.
You need to understand how well French workers are protected and benefit from that protection.
35 hour maximum weeks are standard along with benefits and substantial paid leave. Free health care and a year at full salary if they are made unemployed.
It's eye wateringly good to en Englishman so to a Yank it must look like Shangri La when I think about some of the employment practices you guys put up with.
The French struggle to compete at manufactured goods and yet maintain the industry in spite of this. It's commendable but It's also incredibly expensive and from my point of view unsustainable (without EU subsidy one would imagine).
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Of course their government is trying to alter their labour laws and benefits system.
Do you know what exactly they're trying to change? The sites I'm hitting seems to be all over the map with this.
Don't worry it will all be sorted for August when they go for their Summer Holidays.
heh... forgot about that. Is that like 6 weeks or something?
In a nut shell the French Governenment are changing labour laws to make companies and firms more competitive France had very strict laws in place to protect workers from lay offs. These new regulations were to be put in place to give companies more incentive to hire staff when things are better because they can then shed workers when things get tough.
Changes are also made to allow firms to negotiate with trade unions to increase hours worked.
It flys in the face of traditional support for workers and trade unions. The government has effectively railroaded these changes to push them through.
All the unions have come out on strike and I guess its an exuse for other interested parties to come have a bit of a larf and throw bricks at 'le rozzers.'
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notprop wrote: You need to understand how well French workers are protected and benefit from that protection.
35 hour maximum weeks are standard along with benefits and substantial paid leave. Free health care and a year at full salary if they are made unemployed.
It's eye wateringly good to en Englishman so to a Yank it must look like Shangri La when I think about some of the employment practices you guys put up with.
The French struggle to compete at manufactured goods and yet maintain the industry in spite of this. It's commendable but It's also incredibly expensive and from my point of view unsustainable (without EU subsidy one would imagine).
With my british anti EU tin foil hat on I can imagine that changes are being made to enable France a measure of competitiveness against Germany. they cannot devalue the currency so they have to make being in France more appealing to big business and business backers. Such changes to labour laws also suit the EU - with that institution and business being so hand in hand.
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The Germans have a better grasp Commercially I think and so can drive industry while maintaining a balance with workers rights (de facto running the EU and the Euro effectively being the Deutschmark helps too ).
I actually think they need to change to compete with the like of Italy and Spain. Hardly industrial powerhouses themselves but each have their own competitive advantages over the French who are effectively holding themselves back.
I held a tender for £20M of glazed cladding recently. I had Italian, German and British companies competing, no French made the list. Back in the day French Glass was up there with the Germans, not anymore.
The Italian company we are using clad some of the most recognisable buildings in London, Berlin and....Paris.
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Okay, I don't think any frenchman posted, so I'm going to explain.
Some months ago our government wanted to pass a law, called the El Khomri law, with the intend of heavily reforming workers' condition.
I won't be objective about it. For me, it's yet another attempt of that government to feth us over. Most French syndicates called for protests and marches in the country, which turned into small-scale riots when left-wing extremists (mostly young people) tried to break everything they could find, including cops.
Cops protested in their turn, against the hate they are getting for a few years, mainly since the Etat d'Urgence (Emergency State ?) that gives them more rights.
This isn't a "Revolution" at all, nor a "savage muslims" unrest. Just the kind of protests you see every year in France, but with angrier-than-usual people.
Also worth mentioning there's some incorrect information about the state of France (in both senses) in this thread so here's some facts to redress the balance.
6th largest economy in the world
Largest energy exporter
4th largest car company (Nissan-Renault)
Major partner in Airbus, the second largest aerospace company
Major partner in European Space Agency, has its own launch facility.
Arguably the most advanced and successful nuclear engineering industry. The US had to go to France for help with fast neutron technology.
They have their own nuclear deterrent
World's number one producer of wine including many of the most highly regarded types (champagne, etc.)
One of world's most popular tourist destinations, Paris is in top 10 of world cities.
BFF with Germany, which is 4th largest economy, major industrial power, etc.
Close allies with Britain, which is 5th largest economy, major cultural and economic power, etc.
Blah blah blah...
France like everywhere has problems but let's not imagine they are a second world nation with no friends that's about to collapse economically.
Kilkrazy wrote: Also worth mentioning there's some incorrect information about the state of France (in both senses) in this thread so here's some facts to redress the balance.
6th largest economy in the world
Largest energy exporter
4th largest car company (Nissan-Renault)
Major partner in Airbus, the second largest aerospace company
Major partner in European Space Agency, has its own launch facility.
Arguably the most advanced and successful nuclear engineering industry. The US had to go to France for help with fast neutron technology.
They have their own nuclear deterrent
World's number one producer of wine including many of the most highly regarded types (champagne, etc.)
One of world's most popular tourist destinations, Paris is in top 10 of world cities.
BFF with Germany, which is 4th largest economy, major industrial power, etc.
Close allies with Britain, which is 5th largest economy, major cultural and economic power, etc.
Blah blah blah...
France like everywhere has problems but let's not imagine they are a second world nation with no friends that's about to collapse economically.
But they have socialism! and worker's rights! and maternity leave! those things collapse an economy! So I've been led to believe!
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
LethalShade wrote: Okay, I don't think any frenchman posted, so I'm going to explain.
Some months ago our government wanted to pass a law, called the El Khomri law, with the intend of heavily reforming workers' condition.
I won't be objective about it. For me, it's yet another attempt of that government to feth us over. Most French syndicates called for protests and marches in the country, which turned into small-scale riots when left-wing extremists (mostly young people) tried to break everything they could find, including cops.
Cops protested in their turn, against the hate they are getting for a few years, mainly since the Etat d'Urgence (Emergency State ?) that gives them more rights.
This isn't a "Revolution" at all, nor a "savage muslims" unrest. Just the kind of protests you see every year in France, but with angrier-than-usual people.
That doesn't feel normal man. I haven't heard of violent protests in the USA for the most part (least in most of the places i know about). Well except that one riot over the shooting of a black person (oddly seems to either happen a lot or get mentioned exclusively a lot).
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LethalShade wrote: Okay, I don't think any frenchman posted, so I'm going to explain.
Some months ago our government wanted to pass a law, called the El Khomri law, with the intend of heavily reforming workers' condition.
I won't be objective about it. For me, it's yet another attempt of that government to feth us over. Most French syndicates called for protests and marches in the country, which turned into small-scale riots when left-wing extremists (mostly young people) tried to break everything they could find, including cops.
Cops protested in their turn, against the hate they are getting for a few years, mainly since the Etat d'Urgence (Emergency State ?) that gives them more rights.
This isn't a "Revolution" at all, nor a "savage muslims" unrest. Just the kind of protests you see every year in France, but with angrier-than-usual people.
That doesn't feel normal man. I haven't heard of violent protests in the USA for the most part (least in most of the places i know about). Well except that one riot over the shooting of a black person (oddly seems to either happen a lot or get mentioned exclusively a lot).
I don't know about you, but in that last youtube video I posted...
A protestor threw something like a metal street post into the back of a police car... then, another protestor THREW A MOLOTOV COCKTAIL into the car WHILE THE POLICE WAS STILL IN THE CAR!
Try that here in the states, and you'd likely get a lethal response.
Riots in the US since 2010. There's a whole pages of info out there.
2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia
2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California
2010 – BART verdict riot, July 8, in response to verdict in BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. About 100 businesses were damaged and 78 people were arrested. Oakland, California
2010 – Oakland protest riot, Nov. 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California
2011 – Pennsylvania State University, Joe Paterno riot. Students riot in protest of the decision of the Board of Trustees to fire head football coach Joe Paterno. State College, Pennsylvania
2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. Brooklyn, New York
2011 – Occupy Wall Street Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.
2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.
2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested
2014 – Ferguson, Missouri, August 10. Protests turned into violent riots and unrest after the death of teenager Michael Brown, who was shot by a Ferguson police officer.
2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, many people protested against it in New York City and other cities, some of them causing unrest.
2015 – Baltimore, Maryland – After days of peaceful protests, rioting and looting began on Monday, April 27, 2015 following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody.
2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January–February 2015. 1 killed and several dozen arrested. Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon
2016 - Locals attack police after the Shooting of Abdullahi Omar Mohamed.
2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.
2016 - Democracy Spring, April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins cause arrests.
2016 - 2016 Donald Trump Costa Mesa, California. April 29th. 20 Arrested as crowd turns violent outside Trump Rally.
2016 - Protesters lit fires and threw rocks and bottles at police outside a Donald Trump rally in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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feeder wrote: Riots in the US since 2010. There's a whole pages of info out there.
2010 – Springfest riot, April 10, 200 police disperse crowd of 8000 using tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds, near the campus of James Madison University; dozens injured. 30–35 arrested; Harrisonburg, Virginia
2010 – Santa Cruz May Day riot, May 1, 250 rampage through downtown Santa Cruz attacking 18 businesses, causing an estimated $100,000 in damages. 1 arrested. Santa Cruz, California
2010 – BART verdict riot, July 8, in response to verdict in BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. About 100 businesses were damaged and 78 people were arrested. Oakland, California
2010 – Oakland protest riot, Nov. 5, Police made more than 150 arrests as a crowd broke windows and knocked down fences, protesting sentence of former BART officer in shooting of Oscar Grant on New Years Day 2009; see BART Police shooting of Oscar Grant. Oakland, California
2011 – Pennsylvania State University, Joe Paterno riot. Students riot in protest of the decision of the Board of Trustees to fire head football coach Joe Paterno. State College, Pennsylvania
2011 – Occupy Wall Street (Brooklyn Bridge protests). Demonstrators blocked the bridge and more than 700 people were arrested. Brooklyn, New York
2011 – Occupy Wall Street Oakland protests riots. October. Protesters shattered windows, set fires, and plastered buildings with graffiti. Riot police fired heavy amounts of tear gas on the protesters.
2012 – NATO 2012 Chicago Summit, May. Conflict between riot police. Dozens of demonstrators clubbed and arrested.
2012 – Anaheim police shooting and protests, July 28. Violence erupted after multiple shootings in the neighborhood by police that included unarmed Manuel Diaz. 24 people were arrested
2014 – Ferguson, Missouri, August 10. Protests turned into violent riots and unrest after the death of teenager Michael Brown, who was shot by a Ferguson police officer.
2014 – New York, New York, and Berkeley, California – After prosecutors and a grand jury refused to indict a police officer in the death of Eric Garner, many people protested against it in New York City and other cities, some of them causing unrest.
2015 – Baltimore, Maryland – After days of peaceful protests, rioting and looting began on Monday, April 27, 2015 following the death of Freddie Gray while in police custody.
2016 – Occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, January–February 2015. 1 killed and several dozen arrested. Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon
2016 - Locals attack police after the Shooting of Abdullahi Omar Mohamed.
2016 – 2016 Donald Trump Chicago rally protest, March 11. Five people arrested and two police officers injured during a demonstration at the UIC Pavilion.
2016 - Democracy Spring, April. March to Washington D.C. and sit-ins cause arrests.
2016 - 2016 Donald Trump Costa Mesa, California. April 29th. 20 Arrested as crowd turns violent outside Trump Rally.
2016 - Protesters lit fires and threw rocks and bottles at police outside a Donald Trump rally in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
There's 300+ million people in the United States and its a fairly big country all things considered. There can be things happening on one side and we'd never hear about them if we didn't turn on the news. I've heard of the Trump riots though but forgot.
I live in Michigan. I don't think we've had any big riots since the 60's or that's the only one i heard about. I've never lived in any of those states with an ongoing protest.
@whembly: As you should get shot for that. When you intend to kill an officer and have the means to do so you should expect to be shot and possibly to death.
I dunno maybe i'm just weird. I'd always figure if a policeman tells me to do something and they're on duty that i should just do as they say. Just be calm and don't do anything irrational or stupid. I don't think that's a strange things to do. Even if you're in the wrong wouldn't resisting arrest/being pulled over be that much worse?
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