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So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.
Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.
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Robin5t wrote: So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.
Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.
It's hardly surprising is it?
Did Eldrads plan have any effect on other Craftworlds? Someone said it killed the Infinity Circuits.
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Looks like it wiped all the infinity circuits clean of souls.
So the whole 'Ynnead' thing is effectively done, caput, never going to happen. The Craftworld Eldar have basically lost at everything and can not gain any kind of ultimate victory any more.
Still, though, at least Captain Marty Stu of the Bland Marines got to say an edgy line and do something cool.
Robin5t wrote: So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.
Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Where did those souls go, and how do you know eldrad did not plan this to happen ?
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Robin5t wrote: So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.
Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Where did those souls go, and how do you know eldrad did not plan this to happen ?
Basically, Eldrad started a ritual to summon Ynnead early. The ritual goes wrong because he apparently failed to account for one particular timeline out of tens of thousands where the Deathwatch were able to interfere. This then happens, the ritual is ruined, Ynnead's birth goes totally wrong and the god is shattered into countless, useless little fragments, every infinity circuit of every craftworld (as Eldrad was able to tap into them for his ritual) was wiped clean of souls and the Craftworld Eldar's endgame is now gone.
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Robin5t wrote: So the big hope and salvation of the Craftworld Eldar that they've been building up for years now just got taken out back and shot in the head for the sake of making Generic Edgy Space Marine Character #1765 and the Brand New Productmarines look more hardcore and cool.
Please, let's discuss this absolute drivel.
Tell me more
Automatically Appended Next Post: Where did those souls go, and how do you know eldrad did not plan this to happen ?
Basically, Eldrad started a ritual to summon Ynnead early. The ritual goes wrong because he apparently failed to account for one particular timeline out of tens of thousands where the Deathwatch were able to interfere. This then happens, the ritual is ruined, Ynnead's birth goes totally wrong and the god is shattered into countless, useless little fragments, every infinity circuit of every craftworld (as Eldrad was able to tap into them for his ritual) was wiped clean of souls and the Craftworld Eldar's endgame is now gone.
Do the circuits stop working now?
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oldzoggy wrote: So where did those souls go, and what happened to those "useless" fragments ?
The souls were pulled together into Ynnead. Ynnead was then scattered into tiny fragments when the Deathwatch interrupted the ritual, with only one small glowing bit staying coherent enough to get launched off into the cosmos instead of dissipating entirely. The only way Ynnead wakes up now is as a bare fragment of what it could have been, and certainly not a being capable of killing a chaos god, so the whole plan is now done for.
And the souls are gone. When I say they're gone, I mean they're gone, I don't mean they 'went somewhere', I mean that they no longer exist in any useful form.
First off, I'd be wary of accepting any else's interpretation of that since it seems there are some people out there that are unbalanced enough in their RL hatred of the Eldar that they think GW is seriously going to eliminate and trash their best selling Xenos product line, so they are busy putting the most anti-Eldar spin on it.
I see no reference to Infinity Circuits going dark. There is the bit about the constellation losing cohesion but there is also that bit about the point of light shooting off. I see crystal seer statues shattering but nothing about the souls of the Eldar in all the infinity circuits of all the craftworlds being lost. I got the impression the statues were a means to access and tap the power of all those distant souls, not the souls themselves.
What do I think this means?
From a RL perspective, I do not see GW shooting themselves and eliminating the Eldar as a faction, given the recent release of the Jes Goodwin Eldar sketchbook (which is quite nice btw), and the knowledge the Eldar have always historically been one of their best performing non-Imperial factions in terms of sales. Basically given how GW choked on advancing the timeline, I do wonder whether they are trying to preserve the status quo even though they may reshuffle chairs and tweak the details. So Ynnead waking up and killing Slaanesh was unlikely to happen since it would eliminate a big chunk of Chaos as a faction. The point of light shooting off suggests Ynnead isn't dead either though and they are hinting at something else. Probably in the rumored upcoming timeline advance, that point of light will come back into play. It could be that Ynnead is awakened after all, but not in the form or at the "destroy all of Slaanesh" power level the Eldar hoped.
I am willing to think that GW is trying to do a narrative thing about prophecy: Eldrad in trying to hasten the wakening of Ynnead fulfills the prophecy, albeit not in the way he thought it would be fulfilled.
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I'm taking away from this that the circuits work fine, there's still a chance at Ynnead and Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....
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This sounds like a proper beginning of a campaign to me.
Gw is not likely to give a happy ending in part 1 of the adventure. Eldrad likes to plot ahead on multiple roads, and isn't above sacrificing and betraying others to reach his goal. So could we really have expected the ritual to turn out any better on the short term ?
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First off, I'd be wary of accepting any else's interpretation of that since it seems there are some people out there that are unbalanced enough in their RL hatred of the Eldar that they think GW is seriously going to eliminate and trash their best selling Xenos product line, so they are busy putting the most anti-Eldar spin on it.
I see no reference to Infinity Circuits going dark. There is the bit about the constellation losing cohesion but there is also that bit about the point of light shooting off. I see crystal seer statues shattering but nothing about the souls of the Eldar in all the infinity circuits of all the craftworlds being lost. I got the impression the statues were a means to access and tap the power of all those distant souls, not the souls themselves.
What do I think this means?
From a RL perspective, I do not see GW shooting themselves and eliminating the Eldar as a faction, given the recent release of the Jes Goodwin Eldar sketchbook (which is quite nice btw), and the knowledge the Eldar have always historically been one of their best performing non-Imperial factions in terms of sales. Basically given how GW choked on advancing the timeline, I do wonder whether they are trying to preserve the status quo even though they may reshuffle chairs and tweak the details. So Ynnead waking up and killing Slaanesh was unlikely to happen since it would eliminate a big chunk of Chaos as a faction. The point of light shooting off suggests Ynnead isn't dead either though and they are hinting at something else. Probably in the rumored upcoming timeline advance, that point of light will come back into play. It could be that Ynnead is awakened after all, but not in the form or at the "destroy all of Slaanesh" power level the Eldar hoped.
I am willing to think that GW is trying to do a narrative thing about prophecy: Eldrad in trying to hasten the wakening of Ynnead fulfills the prophecy, albeit not in the way he thought it would be fulfilled.
Reading that bit of text the end it's ambiguous, the planet explodes, all deathwatch marines are death now and something happens.
Best case scenario Ynnead it's half awake and can be manifested tru the spirit circuits when eldar go to war in a similar way to khaine Avatar's just to justify all the different *models* when they pull it for sale from under the hat.
pm713 wrote: Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....
No he isnt. Not trusting Alien sorcerers and especially not letting them bring a power into existence is a good thing to do when your job is to kill the alien.
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oldzoggy wrote: This sounds like a proper beginning of a campaign to me.
Gw is not likely to give a happy ending in part 1 of the adventure. Eldrad likes to plot ahead on multiple roads, and isn't above sacrificing and betraying others to reach his goal. So could we really have expected the ritual to turn out any better on the short term ?
Considering the rumored timeline advance and new edition is somewhere in 2017, I expect there will be more kind of dramatic hyped buildup in the months to come.
In the book Valedor and the Iyanden supplement, there was quite a bit about a possible positive future or resurgence of the Eldar, which was surprising given the general doom and gloom grimdark focus in recent years. Given the RL considerations of continuing the 40K product line, obviously the Eldar cannot curbstomp everyone in the galaxy. Thematically the sense I get from AoS is "brightdark", in that there are pinpoints of brightness in the general grimdark. I wonder whether GW is sending 40K down that same thematic path, as opposed to everything being grimdark all the time everywhere.
Ynnead is alive just not an all powerful God so expect an avatar of ynnead at some point with probably some long story about collecting the fragments in the cosmos. (It Defintely didn't say the souls dissapated.
oldzoggy wrote: This sounds like a proper beginning of a campaign to me.
Gw is not likely to give a happy ending in part 1 of the adventure. Eldrad likes to plot ahead on multiple roads, and isn't above sacrificing and betraying others to reach his goal. So could we really have expected the ritual to turn out any better on the short term ?
Considering the rumored timeline advance and new edition is somewhere in 2017, I expect there will be more kind of dramatic hyped buildup in the months to come.
In the book Valedor and the Iyanden supplement, there was quite a bit about a possible positive future or resurgence of the Eldar, which was surprising given the general doom and gloom grimdark focus in recent years. Given the RL considerations of continuing the 40K product line, obviously the Eldar cannot curbstomp everyone in the galaxy. Thematically the sense I get from AoS is "brightdark", in that there are pinpoints of brightness in the general grimdark. I wonder whether GW is sending 40K down that same thematic path, as opposed to everything being grimdark all the time everywhere.
Brightdark might suit some players better. A large portion of the players don't like to play the bad guy in a gloomy apocalyptic setting. Enabling them to play the good guys with promising goals might just be one of the things gw needs.
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I kind of expected some stupid gak, but this... this just blows. But that is just my pessimism.
My significant other (blood angels player) has theorized that Ynnead is actually awake now, and that because of this Rhana Dandra will likey not kill off all the Eldar since Ynnead will be able to consciously effect events and gather power during the battle.
I mean, Eldrad fethed up... big time. He should have just taken the hit and finished the ceremony. But, Ynnead may not need as many dead to gather power now that it is awake... unless GW continues this garbage storyline since Artemis did not die. Then we're going to get a race to find the new god, with Artemis and his suck squad probably killing it off in the end...
Edit: Jeez, did not expect to have to refresh that many times before posting. Did not mean to kind of rehash so much of what everyone else is saying
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I think the current GW is shying away from killing off any named characters that have (current) models. Aun'va was killed off but that was because his model was being phased out.
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pm713 wrote: Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....
No he isnt. Not trusting Alien sorcerers and especially not letting them bring a power into existence is a good thing to do when your job is to kill the alien.
I'd agree if he wasn't a member of the Deathwatch. He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying and he knows that Harlequins are primarily fighting Chaos. He traded a major blow against the biggest enemy the Imperium has to harm a race that realistically aren't anywhere near as much of a threat as Chaos. His job is protecting the Imperium and he is very bad at it.
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FWIW Gav Thorpe's website has an update with a tidbit that his Jain Zarr novel is coming next year. If GW are still approving new Eldar novels, they are not going to eliminate the Eldar (or other Xenos factions).
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pm713 wrote: He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying
He knew no such things. He knew that the Eldar had launched a massive invasion of an important Imperial World and that they were doing something dodgy on the moon of that world.
He has no reason to believe what the Eldar tell him, especially when he has no time to waste.
pm713 wrote: He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying
He knew no such things. He knew that the Eldar had launched a massive invasion of an important Imperial World and that they were doing something dodgy on the moon of that world.
He has no reason to believe what the Eldar tell him, especially when he has no time to waste.
He was told right before he shot the Harlequin in the face. On top of that he's a member of the Deathwatch so he should know a basic thing like colourful Eldar + Mask = Harlequin. Harlequin = Chaos enemy. Again the paragraph states that he didn't think the Harlequin was lying. Artemis suffers from the common problem of plot induced stupidity.
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Harlequins who fight in the name of Eldrad aren't your friendly cuddly trustworthy up to no harm xenos species. A hand full of them tried to assassinate the emperor and murdered their way trough the custodians on the palace of terra while claiming to come in peace.
Here is a actual spoiler of the beast arises
Spoiler:
On the other side was a hall bigger than all but the widest craftworld domes. On the far side were the great gates to the Sanctum Imperialis, wherein languished the morbid Emperor of Mankind. Twin Titans guarded it, poorly fashioned to resemble hounds, and festooned with vulgar attempts at art. They started towards her clumsily, jogging across the court and opening fire. Bursts of shattered metal and rock jumped skyward. She somersaulted between the impacts as the Warhounds tracked her. The noise of their discharge obliterated all senses, and Lhaerial danced through the thunder. The war machines ceased firing as she sought shelter among the ranks of the enemy.
They were so close to their goal. Lhaerial could feel the lessening of the Palace’s psychic defences. They were nearing the centre of the wards. She called out with her mind to the Lord of Man. There came no reply, but lines of Adeptus Custodes running at them. The great gates were far away.
For a moment her heart faltered. She could not succeed. But she must try.
Bho was surrounded, attacking his foe with the great energy scythe affixed to the end of his gun. He slew four of theirs before he fell, shot from so many angles even his reflexes could not save him. As in life, he died silently. Lhaerial fought on, slaughtering her way through the humans as their war machines neared and slowed, stalking the edge of the melee
The harlequin was later captured and brought to in the Inquisitorial palace for further questioning. Any deathwatch should know that these vile and lying clowns should not be trusted.
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He was told right before he shot the Harlequin in the face. On top of that he's a member of the Deathwatch so he should know a basic thing like colourful Eldar + Mask = Harlequin. Harlequin = Chaos enemy. Again the paragraph states that he didn't think the Harlequin was lying. Artemis suffers from the common problem of plot induced stupidity.
Yes, the Harlequin told him, pretty vaguely, what was going on. But then he has no reason to trust what an Eldar says.
And while he might know that Harlequins are enemies of Chaos, that doesn't mean they are friends of the Imperium.
It said he didn't sense duplicity from the Harlequin, but that doesn't mean much because he still had no actual reason to trust him.
pm713 wrote: Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....
No he isnt. Not trusting Alien sorcerers and especially not letting them bring a power into existence is a good thing to do when your job is to kill the alien.
I'd agree if he wasn't a member of the Deathwatch. He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying and he knows that Harlequins are primarily fighting Chaos. He traded a major blow against the biggest enemy the Imperium has to harm a race that realistically aren't anywhere near as much of a threat as Chaos. His job is protecting the Imperium and he is very bad at it.
His job is to protect the Imperium from xenos.
Letting a race of xenos who would sacrifice a billion human lives to save 1 of their own summon a god does not seem like it's in the best interests of humanity.
Even if Slaanesh did get destroyed by Ynnead, the Imperium still has 4 enemy gods...
oldzoggy wrote: Harlequins who fight in the name of Eldrad aren't your friendly cuddly trustworthy up to no harm xenos species. A hand full of them tried to assassinate the emperor and murdered their way trough the custodians on the palace of terra while claiming to come in peace.
Here is a actual spoiler of the beast arises
Spoiler:
On the other side was a hall bigger than all but the widest craftworld domes. On the far side were the great gates to the Sanctum Imperialis, wherein languished the morbid Emperor of Mankind. Twin Titans guarded it, poorly fashioned to resemble hounds, and festooned with vulgar attempts at art. They started towards her clumsily, jogging across the court and opening fire. Bursts of shattered metal and rock jumped skyward. She somersaulted between the impacts as the Warhounds tracked her. The noise of their discharge obliterated all senses, and Lhaerial danced through the thunder. The war machines ceased firing as she sought shelter among the ranks of the enemy.
They were so close to their goal. Lhaerial could feel the lessening of the Palace’s psychic defences. They were nearing the centre of the wards. She called out with her mind to the Lord of Man. There came no reply, but lines of Adeptus Custodes running at them. The great gates were far away.
For a moment her heart faltered. She could not succeed. But she must try.
Bho was surrounded, attacking his foe with the great energy scythe affixed to the end of his gun. He slew four of theirs before he fell, shot from so many angles even his reflexes could not save him. As in life, he died silently. Lhaerial fought on, slaughtering her way through the humans as their war machines neared and slowed, stalking the edge of the melee
The harlequin was later captured and brought to in the Inquisitorial palace for further questioning.
Any deathwatch should know that these vile and lying clowns should not be trusted.
I shouldn't have to say that something from several thousand years ago is probably unrelated to the current situation. Or do the SOB serve heretical leaders still?
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pm713 wrote: Artemis is unbelievably stupid. To the point where I can't understand why he's a Captain as he is just like Angron based on that....
No he isnt. Not trusting Alien sorcerers and especially not letting them bring a power into existence is a good thing to do when your job is to kill the alien.
I'd agree if he wasn't a member of the Deathwatch. He knows they were going to hurt Slaanesh, he knew the Harlequin wasn't lying and he knows that Harlequins are primarily fighting Chaos. He traded a major blow against the biggest enemy the Imperium has to harm a race that realistically aren't anywhere near as much of a threat as Chaos. His job is protecting the Imperium and he is very bad at it.
His job is to protect the Imperium from xenos.
Letting a race of xenos who would sacrifice a billion human lives to save 1 of their own summon a god does not seem like it's in the best interests of humanity.
Even if Slaanesh did get destroyed by Ynnead, the Imperium still has 4 enemy gods...
Again we come to a choice. A. Wipe out roughly a quarter of the greatest enemy.
B. Take out a small group and god of a race that doesn't actively seek to wipe out humanity and directly aid Chaos.
In other words: A is the one where you potentially save Humanity. B. is where you help your greatest enemy. Artemis chose B like an idiot.
He's a Space Marine. Even while specialising against a certain type of threat his job is defending the Imperium. He failed massively.
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