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As usual with GW releases, I feel there's a ton of potential in the concept of Ynnari which hasn't really been realised with the 'just paint regular dudes red' idea.

Has anyone had any neat ideas for converting an Eldar Death Cult? My ideas so far:



Anyone else got any neat ideas?

Well I consider myself lucky. I have been playing "unified" Eldar & Dark Eldar since before allies existed and my paint scheme for both is primarily Red (Saim-hann style), Black (with greenish highlights similar to Dark Eldar) & Yellow (a node to Iyanden).
My original concept was that they were Saim-Hann outcasts that formed a Corsair fleet with some Commorite elements. But I am not really sold on the FW Corsair rules, so converting them to Ynnari seem the way to go for me.

My Avatar of Khaine was converted using a Deciever model (so VERY similar pose as the Yncarne). I swapped his sword with a Wraithlords and the blade purple. I'll have to get pics of the changes, but here is a preview:

I'll be using him as my Yncarne.

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Lucky you love your eldar too btw, I don't think I've seen them before. Looks like they'd fit perfectly into a retro-WD article

My thinking was more to try and convert some dedicated 'Ynnari' models in lieu of GW actually coming out with specific Ynnari models (although it's probably only a matter of time). Your Avatar's a perfect example

My first ideas when Triumvirate of Ynnari has been announced were to blend DE & Eldar aesthetics on models to better fit with the Visarch "blueprint" of unified style. Ynnari as basically Eldar mix between "free folk" and cultists, so they should IMHO look less uniform than Craftworlders and more civilised than DE.

1. Remove all spikes and pointy things from Kabalites and Incubis.

2. Craftworlders - a bit less round and smooth but not all spiky and BDSM looking. Basically take Storm Gardians, throw them in a blender with Kabalites and Corsairs and work from there, removing a bit of pain from DE and adding more non-uniform freedom to Guardians - more than just jump packs and weapon swaps of Corsairs.

3. Use Sisters of Slaughter as basis for Wyches - I really don't like DE aesthetics, but really do like how Dark Elves balance all that spiky darkness without going into ridicule 40K BDSM feel. Too bad, that most old Dark Elf range has mesh armour all around and that rank&flank game poses are so restricted...

As you have probably guessed by now, I'm not really fond of DE aesthetics. I was seriously dissapointed when they first made appearance, that they were not Rouge Trader-2nd ed era Eldar Pirates. FW Corsairs are better, but still too Craftworldy for my taste.

Well, I am currently working on a Dark Artisan formation that is Wraith-constructs rather than Talos/Cronos and the Haemonculus is going to be a "Spiritseer". With the Ynnari fluff, I am definitely changing the idea of them as the creations of a "crazed" Spiritseer to that of the creations of a Ynnari Spiritseer.

The models are made using Wratihlord torsos on Necron Wraith tails. The "Talos" has elder chainswords attached to his forearms and a twin-linked weapon mounted on his shoulder. The "cronos" has emitters on him shoulders to represent the Spirit probe (the +1FNP).

Even though they won't have any of the Ynnari rules, they'll certainly look "Death cultish"

nou wrote:
My first ideas when Triumvirate of Ynnari has been announced were to blend DE & Eldar aesthetics on models to better fit with the Visarch "blueprint" of unified style. Ynnari as basically Eldar mix between "free folk" and cultists, so they should IMHO look less uniform than Craftworlders and more civilised than DE.

1. Remove all spikes and pointy things from Kabalites and Incubis.

2. Craftworlders - a bit less round and smooth but not all spiky and BDSM looking. Basically take Storm Gardians, throw them in a blender with Kabalites and Corsairs and work from there, removing a bit of pain from DE and adding more non-uniform freedom to Guardians - more than just jump packs and weapon swaps of Corsairs.

3. Use Sisters of Slaughter as basis for Wyches - I really don't like DE aesthetics, but really do like how Dark Elves balance all that spiky darkness without going into ridicule 40K BDSM feel. Too bad, that most old Dark Elf range has mesh armour all around and that rank&flank game poses are so restricted...

As you have probably guessed by now, I'm not really fond of DE aesthetics. I was seriously dissapointed when they first made appearance, that they were not Rouge Trader-2nd ed era Eldar Pirates. FW Corsairs are better, but still too Craftworldy for my taste.

Yeah I love the idea of using the Visarch's armour as a blueprint for Ynnari. They're supposed to be rekindling the pre-Fall Eldar culture, which fits very nicely with his aesthetic.

I remember reading somewhere about the design aesthetic for the Visarch, and how it was trying to track back the various societal changes that had influenced the aesthetic of Craftworld and Commorrite Eldar. Basically, the Craftworlders are a lot less decadent with their aesthetic, preferring clean and austere lines, and quite simple robes and capes which fits their cultural change towards aescetism. The Dark Eldar on the other hand have retained the decadence, but gone further into the sadistic spikey look, which is fitting for their cultural transformation too.

I must say though, I do absolutely love the new Dark Eldar aesthetic. It's distinctly 'eldar', but still its own unique style. Personal preference, but I think it's perfect saying that, Witch Elves are great sculpts too. Pricey though, for some reason...

 Galef wrote:
Well, I am currently working on a Dark Artisan formation that is Wraith-constructs rather than Talos/Cronos and the Haemonculus is going to be a "Spiritseer". With the Ynnari fluff, I am definitely changing the idea of them as the creations of a "crazed" Spiritseer to that of the creations of a Ynnari Spiritseer.

The models are made using Wratihlord torsos on Necron Wraith tails. The "Talos" has elder chainswords attached to his forearms and a twin-linked weapon mounted on his shoulder. The "cronos" has emitters on him shoulders to represent the Spirit probe (the +1FNP).

Even though they won't have any of the Ynnari rules, they'll certainly look "Death cultish"

Now that sounds awesome! Make sure you post some pics

For some reason I cannot isolate just the photo of the Dark artisan WIP from my blog, but here is the link to the post itself:
http://glennsgwmodels.blogspot.com/2016/10/eldar-terrain-some-wip.html

It's mostly my Eldar Terrain, but at the bottom is the WIP of my "Talos & Cronos"

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Yep. They look just as awesome as I'd thought great idea!

First stab at a converted Ynnari Prophet (Farseer) based on the ideas above






What do you think?

I'm a big fan of the blank visor look. I did the same thing for all my converted seraphim sisters and my sisters of silence. It just looks nice and mysterious.

I hate the way almost all eldar models look. But that conversion is sweet

I love blank visors.
I have a theory that Eldar associate a blank-faced figure with death, just as we associate a skull with death. That's the reason for the blank faces on wraith-constructs and spiritseers.

Thanks guys yeah blank visors are awesome. Getting a decent supply of them is the main reason i bought Gangs of Commorragh!

Great minds think alike Verviedi i've always thought that too. It's strongly associated with Wraith units and Spiritseers, and for Reavers and Wyches i bet it's the equivalent of wearing a skull mask

Oh, i've got some fluff for him over on my plog if anyone's interested

Inspiring ideas for when I start looking at doing a Ynnari collection myself.. That's two Eldar-in-general forces I have to consider acquiring eventually.

The other is a Flesh-cult list, but it's going to be an Exodite theme, using a variety of the Sylvaneth units with new heads to fill out the units. Guy on BOLS inspired the idea with his own work.

I love the reaver blank helmets, they're great. I used them on these - which I intended to be Corsairs loosely associated with my Craftworld, but a little bit extra naughty than regular Craftworlders. I like the asymmetry to them and the lack of uniformity in their armour. Maybe if I'd done them red they'd have made good Ynnari

https://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/606927-.html?m=2

@Sauragnmon That sounds sweet anything exodite is good by me, and them being a Flesh-Cult brings a nice amount of grimdark to them make sure to post some pics when you make them!

@finnan Yeah those guys are kickass! I've still got them on my background rotation from when I found them on google absolutely love the dynamism you've got with them. They'd work equally well as Corsairs or counts-as Corsair Harlequins

So after my last post, the gears kept spinning and I have a developed idea.

I'm gonna use some Jetbikes in my Ynnari collection, but they're going to be a hybrid.. using the Reaver Frame but with a mostly Craftworlder Pilot with the Reaver helmet, and the Windrider Cowling.

The other main unit is I'm going to use Vypers.. and maybe some guardians. I'm going to have the full four-unit assembly, and they'll have their own, mostly black with bone coloured panels, I might do pearl/waystone on the mask to give it a little shift.. or maybe Soulstone..

Since the harlequin side wear alot of masks and I want a primarily Harli with DE support Ynnari army, I drew inspiration from this:



The army is all about death so Im thinking a very dark scheme for them, with hi-lights/livery in different colours to represent the different factions, and all mask looking stuff in silvers or coppers, and the rest of the head gear bone like (the only CW stuff I want is the wraithguard/lord)

Purple for DE
Blue for CWE
Green for HQ

Very nice conversion, Ynneadwraith. The mini kinda reminds me of the Preacher from Dune. Tempted to start a Ynnari force now.

I got an update picture of my Avatar of Khaine, I mean Ynnead. The Wraith sword really sets it off.
As a bonus, I just finished my Khymera. Gonna use those as sacrificial distractions, you either kill them triggering a Soulburst, or I get to charge them in and harass.

I really like the idea of an army of united armies that broke off after commoragh fell and everything went to crap.

So instead of an army made up of different factions, a fighting force made up of different leaders, with their own internal politics and the such.

Great ideas guys

@Sauragnmon Hybrid jetbikes are an awesome idea I've seen that done to great effect on a couple of Corsair armies, and they've got a great deal of interchangeability between them. Also, you could have a stab at including some of those kickass tandem Harlequin jetbikes. I've used one of those as a basis for a jetbike Autarch on my plog somewhere if you fancy a look

@Klowny that's a kickass idea those masks on Harlequins would look really cool. Any idea on how to model them? Black and bone is an excellent scheme as well, and I like the idea of different colours differentiating the factions.

@Ashenwyte Thanks dude anything relating to Dune is a compliment as far as I'm concerned definitely have a crack at some Ynnari yourself, I'll be interested to see what you come up with

@Galef Yeah the Wraith Sword looks great and the general consensus is that Khymaerae are perfect for triggering Soulburst. Killy enough that they can't be ignored, but fragile enough that they'll die easily. Plus, they can actually utilise Soulburst Actions themselves as their unit type is Aeldari (from the Beastmaster model, but 'Aeldari' is a trait of the whole unit, beasts included).

@Gummy That's a really cool idea! Sort of like a ragtag bunch of survivors that are being forced to work together Cavalier over on 40kOnline had the idea of painting up a couple of my Kabalites as a mercenary attachment to his army as he liked the scheme for them I was thinking of doing the same thing with an emissary from the Lions of Asuryan, and maybe expanding that into some other squads as a nod to other peoples' armies

It's a great way of expanding your painting horizons, and would be great fun trying out other peoples' styles

Also, you could do cool things like add in a squad of Biel Tan refugees and other such stuff

Thinking of an army dedicated to Asuryan and Khaine, fanatics that believe that Ynnead holds the key to their god's return. They're led by an old wizened crone who has never revealed her face and an exiled Archon whose armour has been permanently attached to his flesh after he was struck down in an ambush. (I'll be using these to represent Yvraine and the Visarch.) They're extremely xenophobic fanatics, and they have close relations with Biel Tan because of their similar views on non Eldar life. Many craftworlds have sent representatives to them, and there is a lot of diplomacy and intrigue going on. I'll be making heavy use of HE Phoenix Guard bits and the great Reaver blank heads.

Blimey, I wrote a lot more than I thought I would.

Very nice I think there's a lot of potential to add some grimdark to CWE with Khaine Cults, and anything that plays on the Eldar's general xenophobia is right up my street

Which Phoenix Guard bits are you thinking of using?

My goal is to incorporate CWE/DE units into my Harlequin army, while keeping the Harlequin aesthetics.

One of my ideas is to replace a Vyper's heavy weapon platform by a Death Jester. Maybe replacing a DJ's legs to make it stand could be sufficient, especially since the cloak has a nice floating effect that would match an open-topped vehicle moving forward. Otherwise, the older sculpt is already standing and could work well.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Very nice I think there's a lot of potential to add some grimdark to CWE with Khaine Cults, and anything that plays on the Eldar's general xenophobia is right up my street

Which Phoenix Guard bits are you thinking of using?

The problem with Phoenix Guard is that the models are very static. While good for WHFB, the poses don't really look that great on round bases. I'm thinking of using them with shadow warrior heads and some 40k bits for some sort of elite melee unit, like Incubi. If done right they should look suitably sinister.

I haven't seen anyone do this, but hese could be cool Ynnari alternatives for Incubi:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Dark-Elves-Har-Ganeth-Executioners

I am surprised how few people know that GW sell plastic DE Incubi. If you don't like the static pose, you can just use the heads and weapons added to Kabalite warriors.
But if you are doing that, you may as well just use Hellion Helglaives:

The "Autarch" is my Aurarch on foot/wings/warp generator (magnetized) or my Incubi Klaivex or Scorpion Exarch w/ claw

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@fresus I'm a massive fan of that way of modelling trying to make CWE (or DE, or Harlie) versions of other allied units, rather than allied standard units. Some of the best conversions I've seen have been 'an X version of Y'

@Ashenwyte yeah that's an issue with a lot of Fantasy bits (although has definitely improved with the move to AoS). Shadow WArrior legs are great for a bit of variation. Mix them in with White Lions legs (similar looking, couple of different poses) for a properly varied scale-mail look perhaps save the Phoenix Guard full-length scale-mail for the sergeant?

@Galef Yeah those executioners are kickass the heads in particular would make for some great alternate Harlequin heads for a Ynnari squad

I've also thought about making alternative Incubi using Warriors as a basis. The Wrack kit comes with some extra little armour plates you can use to make them look a little more heavy-duty. The only issue for me is that the Klaive is so iconic-looking, and is probably the worst bit to keep Finecast fragility-wise.

I jsut wish they'd hurry up and convert the kit to full plastic. They did it with Wracks. Why not Incubi...

I think I could also try to convert a farseer skyrunner to make it look like it's a shadowseer driving the jetbike.
I was thinking of adding a phantasm grenade launcher (from the kabalite warrior kit) to the back and replace the blade from the spear with a skull. Put a player's mask on top of the targeting array, to mimic to big mask on skyweaver's canopies (hopefully the size will match).
The hardest part would be the head, which would require the use of some GS (I don't feel like buying a shadowseer just for the head). Maybe start from a reaver's blank helmet, file off the spikes and the pointy back, and try to create some type of fabric out of GS to lay down on top. Or I could start from a player's head (one without any hair obviously), sand down and recreate a blank face from a player's mask, and try to GS the fabric.
I would keep the torso/legs. They're not very shadowseer-y, but if I can add all the other distinctive features, and paint it like a Harlequin, it might do the trick.

Missed your post fresus. Oops :S

Love the idea of making a Shadowseer bike Farseer counts-as the head might be slightly tricky. I've found that clipping off the face from a Wood Elf Wildwood Ranger head makes a half-decent Shadowseer head

There's two Wych heads that are near enough to blank to be a good start if you're making a GS hood

I've made a couple more Ynnari conversions now too I didn't think the Yncarne looked 'death god' enough, so hopefully this is an improvement






I also read in passing that the reason Altansar Eldar never show their faces is because they all look like exquisitely preserved corpses (it was Ynnead that protected them during their time in the warp, and apparently that has side-effects). Not only is that a kickass bit of fluff, but it also gave me a little lightbulb moment

So, here he is





I think I've decided on the name 'Idravain', an Altansari Autarch that acts as a bodyguard for my Ynnari Prophet (who I've decided will be called Khal'Fhirin, which means 'Herald of Truth').

Couple of thoughts on this guy.

First off is the whole prophet/bodyguard thing. Thinking about how the Eldar in general feel about symbolism, it would make sense that once the Ynnari split off into the webway to spread the word of Ynnead (during the final Gathering Storm book apparently), each little cell might gravitate towards a prophet/bodyguard model as a leadership structure. So, this guy's the reckless beatstick to Fhirin's reason

Second, I felt slightly like the Eldar got a bit of a free pass with Ynnead bringing them back from the dead. There has to be a catch. This is the 40k universe we're talking about. Don't trust a Death God bearing gifts as the saying goes

So, I thought what about each time you're reborn you come back...changed...slightly. A little like the Stormcasts. Each time you come back, you come back as slightly less you. By the look of this guy's face (which being Altansari wasn't exactly easy on the eyes to begin with), you might even come back slightly more http://daemonic too...