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2017/03/28 21:54:19
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
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'We can't just wait until we're destroyed': Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II as it seeks to defend itself from North Korea
Politicians in Japan have argued for the technically pacifist country to have the ability to strike North Korea rather than relying on the US for its defence
North Korea has conducted five nuclear tests and a series of missile launches
But any change could come about following discussions with the US
By Thomas Burrows for MailOnline
PUBLISHED: 15:49, 28 March 2017 | UPDATED: 16:11, 28 March 2017
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Japan has called for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War Two in the wake of North Korean aggression.
Politicians in Japan have argued for the technically pacifist country to have the ability to strike North Korea rather than relying on the US for its defence.
The reclusive state has conducted five nuclear tests and a series of missile launches in defiance of U.N. resolutions.
Discussions surrounding the law change to allow Tokyo to launch pre-emptive strikes against North Korea were supported by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (pictured with Donald Trump)
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Discussions surrounding the law change to allow Tokyo to launch pre-emptive strikes against North Korea were supported by Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (pictured with Donald Trump)
Hiroshi Imazu, the head of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party's security committee, told the Washington Post: 'Japan can't just wait until it's destroyed.
'It's legally possible for Japan to strike an enemy base that's launching a missile at us, but we don't have the equipment or the capability.'
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He added: 'Our country is protected by other countries, but we can't do anything to protect them. This is not acceptable in the international community anymore.'
Gen Nakatani, defense minister until last year and a member of the committee, told the newspaper: 'I believe that we should consider having the capacity to strike.'
Last week Prime Minister Shinzo Abe appeared to give weight to the idea, saying he wanted to 'keep an eye' on developments.
Abe oversaw the acquisition of F-35A stealth fighter jets last year, boosting the country's air defense.
Calls for a stronger Japanese military have grown in the wake of North Korean aggression
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Calls for a stronger Japanese military have grown in the wake of North Korean aggression
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Japan's existing missile defense system could reportedly handle only three projectiles at once, according to Reuters.
Japan's pacifist history
Japan's pacifist constitution has been in place since the country's surrender at then end of World War II.
It was constructed by the Allied powers, principally the United States.
Article 9, introduced under the occupying forces after the war, states: "The Japanese people forever renounce war and the threat or use of force."
However, under Abe, Japan in 2015 passed a new law that allows its Self-Defense Forces go into battle to protect allies in so-called collective self-defence.
Critics argue that this could drag Japan into distant foreign wars even if there was no direct threat to the country or its people, with some even saying the rules violate the pacifist constitution.
Abe and his supporters have argued the rules were necessary to deal with a changing security environment marked by an increasingly assertive China and an unpredictable North Korea.
The country has reportedly planned a $1 billion improvement to its PAC-3 Patriot surface-to-air defenses.
But any change could come about following discussions with the US and with the support of a currently reluctant public.
Nakatani added: 'Japan doesn't have the capacity to launch an attack on North Korea by ourselves.
'In order for Japan to do that, it would take a lot of discussion with the U.S.'
Earlier this month, North Korea fired ballistic missiles that landed in the sea less than 200 miles off the northwestern coast of Japan.
The incident was one of the numerous military tests conducted by the despotic state, which has expanded its ballistic and nuclear missile capability in the wake of what it views as US and South Korean aggression.
Pyongyang insists that it needs nuclear weapons for self-defence against 'hostile enemies'.
South Korean and U.S. troops began the large-scale joint drills on March 1 that the North calls an invasion rehearsal.
Pyongyang insists that it needs nuclear weapons for self-defence against 'hostile enemies'
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Pyongyang insists that it needs nuclear weapons for self-defence against 'hostile enemies'
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2017/03/28 22:01:23
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
I'd fully support Japan being able to have a true military, as they aren't about to go invading people any time soon. Only, however, if they Japanese people want it though. And, IIRC, something like 60% support the peace constitution, so I don't think there will be any big change any time soon. But an armed Japan is only really a good thing for us, IMO, being their most important ally and all..
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2017/03/28 22:11:12
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Co'tor Shas wrote: I'd fully support Japan being able to have a true military, as they aren't about to go invading people any time soon.
I wouldn't. Not before movie like “City of life and death” can be shown in theater without controversy.
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2017/03/28 22:22:21
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Co'tor Shas wrote: I'd fully support Japan being able to have a true military, as they aren't about to go invading people any time soon.
I wouldn't. Not before movie like “City of life and death” can be shown in theater without controversy.
Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
And despite some things I disagree with I believe they can be trusted. Its been over 70 years for them to learn.
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2017/03/28 22:24:37
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Co'tor Shas wrote: I'd fully support Japan being able to have a true military, as they aren't about to go invading people any time soon.
I wouldn't. Not before movie like “City of life and death” can be shown in theater without controversy.
Controversy from whom?
From the wiki link you provided the only controversy was in China about how a Japanese soldier was portrayed in the film. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Could you clarify?
2017/03/28 22:31:18
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Co'tor Shas wrote: I'd fully support Japan being able to have a true military, as they aren't about to go invading people any time soon.
I wouldn't. Not before movie like “City of life and death” can be shown in theater without controversy.
As someone whose spent 8 years living in Japan, 4 of them working directly with the Japanese SDF, I myself find nothing to be concerned about if they were to change their military focus to be in-line with everyone else in the world.
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2017/03/28 22:43:00
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
jhe90 wrote: Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
There was no controversy in Japan because the movie was never shown there. And likely never will be. My point is that the politicians may have made a few declarations (while still going to visit Yasukuni Shrine) but generally the Japanese society still refuse to acknowledge the horrors of its past.
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2017/03/28 22:57:12
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
jhe90 wrote: Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
There was no controversy in Japan because the movie was never shown there. And likely never will be. My point is that the politicians may have made a few declarations (while still going to visit Yasukuni Shrine) but generally the Japanese society still refuse to acknowledge the horrors of its past.
Sounds a whole lot like the U.S., not that the U.S. is really the best example for properly addressing sensitive international topics. Oh, people like to get themselves riled up about Pearl Harbor and D-Day on Normandy whenever they please, but people seem to act like their country isn't the only one to have ever used atomic/nuclear weapons against other humans, largely civilians.
Though time does play a factor in whether the people are responsible for "the horrors of their past". The proportion of people who are even old enough to remember WWII is rather small, a little larger in Japan because of their skewed age demographics, but surely most of its politicians and any of those who would hypothetically serve in this military would be far too young to have an 80-year-old atrocity tacked to their heads. Should we go pointing fingers at German citizens for Holocaust atrocities? Actually, treating Germany that way after WWI played a part in WWII happening, so I'd call it a bad idea. People don't deserve to have their country's shameful moments in history dangled over their heads for eternity... so cut it out.
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jhe90 wrote: Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
There was no controversy in Japan because the movie was never shown there. And likely never will be.
My point is that the politicians may have made a few declarations (while still going to visit Yasukuni Shrine) but generally the Japanese society still refuse to acknowledge the horrors of its past.
Sounds a whole lot like the U.S., not that the U.S. is really the best example for properly addressing sensitive international topics. Oh, people like to get themselves riled up about Pearl Harbor and D-Day on Normandy whenever they please, but people seem to act like their country isn't the only one to have ever used atomic/nuclear weapons against other humans, largely civilians.
Though time does play a factor in whether the people are responsible for "the horrors of their past". The proportion of people who are even old enough to remember WWII is rather small, a little larger in Japan because of their skewed age demographics, but surely most of its politicians and any of those who would hypothetically serve in this military would be far too young to have an 80-year-old atrocity tacked to their heads. Should we go pointing fingers at German citizens for Holocaust atrocities? Actually, treating Germany that way after WWI played a part in WWII happening, so I'd call it a bad idea. People don't deserve to have their country's shameful moments in history dangled over their heads for eternity... so cut it out.
Also of note checking one of the films bigger production companies involved.
China state owned media and film production company.
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2017/03/28 23:20:49
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
jhe90 wrote: Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
There was no controversy in Japan because the movie was never shown there. And likely never will be.
My point is that the politicians may have made a few declarations (while still going to visit Yasukuni Shrine) but generally the Japanese society still refuse to acknowledge the horrors of its past.
There is a difference between allowing the type of militarism that some subgroups of japanese society would like to see resurrected, and allowing a country the right to defend itself when it's neighbour is clearly gearing up for a conflict.
A lot of countries that were basically monsters 70 years ago have pretty much fully reformed themselves into beacons of freedom and liberty and all that gak.
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2017/03/28 23:25:27
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
jhe90 wrote: Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
There was no controversy in Japan because the movie was never shown there. And likely never will be.
My point is that the politicians may have made a few declarations (while still going to visit Yasukuni Shrine) but generally the Japanese society still refuse to acknowledge the horrors of its past.
Sounds a whole lot like the U.S., not that the U.S. is really the best example for properly addressing sensitive international topics. Oh, people like to get themselves riled up about Pearl Harbor and D-Day on Normandy whenever they please, but people seem to act like their country isn't the only one to have ever used atomic/nuclear weapons against other humans, largely civilians.
Though time does play a factor in whether the people are responsible for "the horrors of their past". The proportion of people who are even old enough to remember WWII is rather small, a little larger in Japan because of their skewed age demographics, but surely most of its politicians and any of those who would hypothetically serve in this military would be far too young to have an 80-year-old atrocity tacked to their heads. Should we go pointing fingers at German citizens for Holocaust atrocities? Actually, treating Germany that way after WWI played a part in WWII happening, so I'd call it a bad idea. People don't deserve to have their country's shameful moments in history dangled over their heads for eternity... so cut it out.
Also of note checking one of the films bigger production companies involved.
China state owned media and film production company.
Yeah, that raised flags for me as well. I know Japan is awful about acknowledging the full extent of its crimes during the 20th Century but I don't know if I'd trust a film funded by the Chinese state to accurately portray events involving Japan during WWII.
2017/03/28 23:42:49
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Prime Minister Abe has been calling for this since he became Prime Minister again in 2012. A large part of the reason is that it makes rapid response and co-ordination with America in deterring China clearer, and therefore more likely to actually work.
But he's in his 5th year of lobbying for the change, and I don't think he's actually made that much progress.
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: Yeah, that raised flags for me as well. I know Japan is awful about acknowledging the full extent of its crimes during the 20th Century but I don't know if I'd trust a film funded by the Chinese state to accurately portray events involving Japan during WWII.
I went to the monument in Nanking. It's called "The Memorial Hall of the Victims in Nanjing Massacre by Japanese Invaders". Yeah, they don't beat around the bush about who did what to whom. Thing is though, the Chinese aren't actually being in any way dishonest in portraying what the Japanese did. They really were straight up despicable.
I wouldn't trust the official Chinese line on just about anything, but it when it comes to them claiming Japan invented reasons to invade China, and then set about committing a long series of war crimes, the Chinese are right.
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2017/03/28 23:55:45
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
jhe90 wrote: Reading between lines it seems the contraversery was in china for the portrayal of a Japanese solder.
There was no controversy in Japan because the movie was never shown there. And likely never will be.
My point is that the politicians may have made a few declarations (while still going to visit Yasukuni Shrine) but generally the Japanese society still refuse to acknowledge the horrors of its past.
Sounds a whole lot like the U.S., not that the U.S. is really the best example for properly addressing sensitive international topics. Oh, people like to get themselves riled up about Pearl Harbor and D-Day on Normandy whenever they please, but people seem to act like their country isn't the only one to have ever used atomic/nuclear weapons against other humans, largely civilians.
What exactly are you getting at? Using nuclear weapons against Hiroshima and Nagasaki was about as far from a warcrime as you could get. The use of those atomic bombs actually saved more lives than were lost or maimed by the bombs themselves by causing the Japanese to surrender instead of having to perform a costly invasion, which would have led to far more loss of life on both sides.
Like it or not, it was the right thing to do at the time.
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My grandfather hated the Japanese, hypothetically because of the war (where he worked in a munitions facility in the UK), but I'm pretty sure is more because he fell asleep watching "The Bridge over The River Kwai" one time too many.
My dad, I don't think ever thought too much about the Japanese up until he recently watched Unbroken and now also hates the entire country as a result.
Me, well... All of the above is essentially history, fictionalised or otherwise and bears no resemblance to my context of Japan.
2017/03/29 01:08:50
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
KommissarKiln wrote: Should we go pointing fingers at German citizens for Holocaust atrocities?
Co'tor Shas wrote: I mean look at Germany, there are few nations more committed to peace. If Germany can do it, so can Japan.
That's precisely my point. Germany would have no problem showing a movie that depicts the horrors of nazism. Pretty sure they did some themselves. Japan can't say the same about the horrors of Imperial Japan (Nanking massacre, Unit 731, …)
DarkTraveler777 wrote: Yeah, that raised flags for me as well. I know Japan is awful about acknowledging the full extent of its crimes during the 20th Century but I don't know if I'd trust a film funded by the Chinese state to accurately portray events involving Japan during WWII.
Have you read the article? The director got death threats directed at him by Chinese people for “being too sympathetic in his portrayal of Japanese soldiers”. Really, if you have an actual problem with historical accuracy, or bias, in the movie, please explain it, but that was a completely baseless and unnecessary attack
The US did indeed commit atrocities, mostly slavery and Indian genocides. But movies on slavery ain't anywhere near as controversial in the US nowadays as movies about Imperial Japan war crimes are in Japan right now.
KommissarKiln wrote: Oh, people like to get themselves riled up about Pearl Harbor and D-Day on Normandy whenever they please, but people seem to act like their country isn't the only one to have ever used atomic/nuclear weapons against other humans, largely civilians.
Not sure who people are, I'm pretty sure you are not talking about my country. And Pearl Harbor was just an act of war. Most countries have plenty of acts of war in their history. That's not what I am talking about here. I'm talking about crimes against humanity and atrocities, like the aforementioned Nankin Massacre and the experimentation of Unit 731.
KommissarKiln wrote: Though time does play a factor in whether the people are responsible for "the horrors of their past".
It's not a question of being responsible for it. It's a question of acknowledging it.
KommissarKiln wrote: Actually, treating Germany that way after WWI played a part in WWII happening
Apparently you are completely oblivious of everything that made a new war between post-WWII Germany and the rest of Europe seem impossible. Let me remind you that Japan has heated territorial conflicts with basically all their neighbors. Not just Russia, China and North Korea, but with their political allies of South Korea too. Let me remind you that Germany doesn't regularly create diplomatic incident with Israel by honoring nazi war criminals. The whole reason why I don't want to see Japan get an army is because they are nothing like Germany! I wouldn't have a problem with a bigger German military..
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2017/03/29 01:25:19
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
I wonder if part of it is, considering Japans focus on honour and face, that so much of the main political group in Japan are the immediate sons and daughters of those soldiers from WW2. - As such, perhaps these attitudes will change a little soon (Or are changing?) I imagine the grandsons won't stay in politics as long (I would imagine that Minister Ado is of this generation?)
At which point, there will be a major push for the next generation for the country to even keep on functioning. - Which I'm guessing is relatively soon, maybe 5-10 years?
This is all hand wavey, ignorant (in the real definition of the word) guesswork though.
2017/03/29 01:48:37
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
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Japan does have a large population segment of "crotchety old folks" who are the people who would largely be those denying their country's warcrimes in WW2. But I don't think thats any reason for them to not have a real military again.
Japan and Germany bear next to zero resemblance to what they were in the early 20th century. Both made pretty radical transformations after WW2. They're not like Russia where the USSR's ghost occasionally possesses some of their leadership.
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Co'tor Shas wrote: I mean look at Germany, there are few nations more committed to peace. If Germany can do it, so can Japan.
Germany does it in much the same way Japan's doing it - by having a military completely incapable of expeditionary warfare. Japan does it through its constitution, Germany does it through neglect and hilarious underfunding.
2017/03/29 07:28:09
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
I'm all for Japan having the right too decide for themselves how they want to structure their military
Although looking at the geo-political situation at hand, I´m afraid it´s just going to boil down to them being meatshields in a potential sino-american conflict.
2017/03/29 08:33:19
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Co'tor Shas wrote: I mean look at Germany, there are few nations more committed to peace. If Germany can do it, so can Japan.
Germany does it in much the same way Japan's doing it - by having a military completely incapable of expeditionary warfare. Japan does it through its constitution, Germany does it through neglect and hilarious underfunding.
Not to derail the thread too much with Germany, but just as Japan has the pacifism in its constitution, Germany has it in its mindset for the last decades. People here, especially with the realization of Nazi war crimes and the death toll of WW2, were pretty much united in their dislike of any military adventurism and anything resembling an "aggressive" military. Originally, the Bundeswehr was solely focused on defense of German territory, not unlike Japan's SDF. It was just after 1990 and the fall of the Soviet Union that a more "global" use of the Bundeswehr was cautiously hinted at by the government, and many, many people were very much against it.
To clarify my own position, I am very much in favor of honoring our NATO agreements and increase military spending and modernize some of our equipment. Nevertheless I'm very happy that our direct neighbors are all friendly by now...
2017/03/29 13:04:24
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I think the most interesting thing that might happen is that Japan might start selling it's weaponry to the world at large. Especially if some sort of Pacific NATO equivalent is ever formed if China and NK start to get too much for the rest of the Asian nations.
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2017/03/29 13:06:36
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2017/03/29 16:03:43
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: Yeah, that raised flags for me as well. I know Japan is awful about acknowledging the full extent of its crimes during the 20th Century but I don't know if I'd trust a film funded by the Chinese state to accurately portray events involving Japan during WWII.
Have you read the article? The director got death threats directed at him by Chinese people for “being too sympathetic in his portrayal of Japanese soldiers”. Really, if you have an actual problem with historical accuracy, or bias, in the movie, please explain it, but that was a completely baseless and unnecessary attack
Yes, I read the wiki entry. The Chinese director was getting death threats by Chinese people, so Japan can't have a military? I do not follow your logic. That was the thrust of your original point, yes? If not, explain (as I asked before, since your statement is unclear).
What attack was baseless? And are you suggesting that I have a problem with historical accuracy? Honestly, I cannot tell what the feth you are posting about, that is why I asked for an explanation. Don't be an ass about this.
2017/03/29 16:22:10
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
DarkTraveler777 wrote: The Chinese director was getting death threats by Chinese people, so Japan can't have a military? I do not follow your logic.
There are two completely different points.
The first one is about how Japanese society won't accept those kind of movies. This is not mentioned on the Wikipedia article, but you can check that the movie never came out in Japan.
The second one is about your accusation that the movie present a biased view of the event because it was given permission by the Chinese government. That one accusation is baseless.
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2017/03/29 16:29:28
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DarkTraveler777 wrote: The Chinese director was getting death threats by Chinese people, so Japan can't have a military? I do not follow your logic.
There are two completely different points. The first one is about how Japanese society won't accept those kind of movies. This is not mentioned on the Wikipedia article, but you can check that the movie never came out in Japan. The second one is about your accusation that the movie present a biased view of the event because it was given permission by the Chinese government. That one accusation is baseless.
If you think the Chinese government is going to release an unbiased film about Japan you are completely and utterly socially and culturally ignorant of the relationship between the two nations.
EDIT: Given their history I also completely understand why they would be biased.
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2017/03/29 16:36:06
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Frazzled wrote: If you think the Chinese government is going to release an unbiased film about Japan you are completely and utterly socially and culturally ignorant of the relationship between the two nations.
Can you go beyond “baseless accusation” and provide any hint of a semblance of a shadow of a doubt on the historical accuracy of the movie, or are we supposed to believe your word that it is biased without any explanation of how?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
2017/03/29 16:39:57
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Japan and China have long history of being horrible to each other, and attempting to invade one another. Not that it excuses anything that IJA has done, but it's important to note that you shouldn't really take anything their governments say about each-other without and entire salt-mine's worth of salt (the IJA did some pretty horrific things, not sure about the IJN, but I wouldn't be surprised).
Although it should be noted that the younger generation's views of each other is significantly more positive, so that's a good thing. And I think young Japanese people are supposed to be more accepting of Japanese warcrimes, so that's good. If Japan and China can make up, then there is hope for us all yet.
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2017/03/29 16:47:13
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
DarkTraveler777 wrote: The Chinese director was getting death threats by Chinese people, so Japan can't have a military? I do not follow your logic.
There are two completely different points.
The first one is about how Japanese society won't accept those kind of movies. This is not mentioned on the Wikipedia article, but you can check that the movie never came out in Japan.
The second one is about your accusation that the movie present a biased view of the event because it was given permission by the Chinese government. That one accusation is baseless.
Jeezy Chreezy, you don't even initially link to all the sources that help make your "argument" then you get inflamed when people can't follow along with your drivel. In the future support your argument properly and maybe people can follow along with what you are trying to say.
I am done with you and this thread.
2017/03/29 16:56:23
Subject: Japan calls for the right to carry out pre-emptive strikes for the first time since World War II
Co'tor Shas wrote: Not that it excuses anything that IJA has done, but it's important to note that you shouldn't really take anything their governments say about each-other without and entire salt-mine's worth of salt
Ok. So what in City of life and death should I take with a grain of salt? Anything? Any scene in particular? Or is it just “generic” advice that you decided was totally applicable in this situation because reasons?
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1