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The doctrines in a nutshell...



- Cadians Reroll hit rolls of 1 when they didn't move (applies to infantry and tanks). If an infantry unit is issued the order "Take Aim!" and has not moved, they re-roll all failed to-hit rolls
- Tallarn can advance and still shoot all weapons, except Heavy weapons. Also they do not suffer the penalty to hit when advancing with Assault weapons. Vehicles do not suffer the penalty for moving and shooting their Heavy Weapons,
- Tempestus can double tap. When shooting at half range or less and you roll 6+ to hit, you can an extra shot. Can't recall their vehicle one.

I'm interested in trying most of them out, it seems like you can build very specific lists around each and the variety is astounding.

They've got a really good mix that can be used to build armies around. The Cadian one is the static gunline though, so it's the easiest one to play, and I foresee that one being a big favourite for the mainstay of the army.

However, making one of your Conscript Battalions Catachan gives you a really nasty tarpit that can dish out some serious damage.

The Tallarn is what I see as the expert tier. I think a really good commander could make an incredibly nasty army that moves around a lot, avoiding where needed and getting into positions in smart ways.

Catachan, for the +1 Strenght. Doctrines that modify attributes feel so right.

I guess I'm most excited by Armageddon and Vostroyan for infantry. I like lasguns. I like the idea of dumping cheap BS4+ plasma guns out of a Chimera or Valkyrie and rapid-firing 18".

I legitimately want to make a catachan army that just runs down the field busting heads. It sounds so funny. Doesn't hurt they have a nice bonus for tanks as well.

Catachan is mechanically superior.

Cadian is like Catachan, but you have to sit still, It's probably what I'm going to be though, because Cadian 9125th.

Valhallan is my favorite. Send in the Next Wave!

Tallarn is really neat, especially their strategem. I can see so much potential in it.

The rest I'm not keen on at all.

Cadia- and Valhalla-style Doctrines look like the easiest picks.

Catachan one is good but I don't think it would reflect the qualities of my regiment.

I can see use for Mordian- and Tallarn-style doctrines.

Tempestus is obvious if you can make detachment out of them.

Armageddon and Vostroya look like the least interesting Doctrines.

I still need to read the codex so I can decide which Doctrine suits my regiment the best. I'm also interested to read the full list of Stratagems (etc.) before I decide.

I think gameplay-wise Valhalla wins but for fluff/background I like the Mordian one.

What would people recommend for a Tanith army? I'm thinking Cadian or Tallarn?

Tallarn seems really good but I think it's going to suffer from the "I don't like the aesthetics" many people have. Tallarn has never been a super popular army. Most people want to play IG in terms of Catachan "jungle guys", Cadian "army guys", or Tempestus "special forces guys". Tallarn has nice things like being able to run tons of ~100 pt melta tanks (Devil Dogs) and moving, advancing, and firing without penalty. They can definitely be set up as a major tank killing army.

I will say I'm surprised that, at the time of this comment, there are zero votes for Tempestus. Those are going to be the kings of dropping down and popping special weapons at people.

Cadians will certainly be a mainstay of my army play, but I really am liking Valhallan for being a good all rounder, I love playing Tanks but the degrading profiles makes them almost useless sometimes. Its a regiment that doesn't have to worry too much about leadership, commissar bubbles, or even disabled tanks. I also am liking the Steel Legion rules (nevermind the fact I own several hundred of them!) because they let me stay out of immediate charge distance but still be able to get a lot of shots off.

Pretty much all of them are good in their own way! Thats why I love this book. If im being a total jerk though I might run a Catachan spearhead with 3 basilisks, a plasma tank commander and harker with my other regiment choices.

Im actually going to paint all my conscripts up in prison jumpsuit orange so I can have "regiment neutral" conscripts as I collect the actual old school or conversion models for Valhalla, Vostroyan, and Tallarn

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
What would people recommend for a Tanith army? I'm thinking Cadian or Tallarn?

Tallarn is what Tanith would be, fluff wise. Mobile, light infantry and lots of infiltration-style outflanking.

I am liking Tallarn for just the move and fire heavy weapons in vehicles. I hate that rule so much. Things like my lascannon sentinels have been glorified turrets so far this edition. It really suits my playstyle: take an armoured force and shove it down the enemy's throat. I also hope that 2 shot vanquisher tank commanders are useful, as I have a FW model and love using it as my warlord.


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Hoodwink wrote:
I will say I'm surprised that, at the time of this comment, there are zero votes for Tempestus. Those are going to be the kings of dropping down and popping special weapons at people.

I guess Tempestus are not going to be as popular as the others. However, it is really easy to take a small detachment of them with 1hq 2troops and get their doctrine anyway.

Not a Guard player, but thematically I like Tallarn and Armageddon rules the best. Efficient, up-armored mechanised gunlines or fast and mobile skirmishers.

Aesthetically its hard not to love Vostryans though. The models are gorgeous.

Vostroyans are like Sisters of battle; if they made them in plastic they'd outsell the space marines.

Another vote for Tallarn. My minis are actually steel legion, but... I dont play a mechanised force to hide in static bunker chimeras. I want to zoom across the board. Static gunlines are just... boring.

The stratagem is just icing on the cake.

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
Vostroyans are like Sisters of battle; if they made them in plastic they'd outsell the space marines.

Heh. Probably fewer people would buy them, but the people that did would buy A LOT.

 Tyr13 wrote:
Another vote for Tallarn. My minis are actually steel legion, but... I dont play a mechanised force to hide in static bunker chimeras. I want to zoom across the board. Static gunlines are just... boring.

The stratagem is just icing on the cake.

Just put flamers on your chimeras, then you can move as much as you want. Flamers are pretty good vs orks too, so fluffy.

 Trickstick wrote:

Hoodwink wrote:
I will say I'm surprised that, at the time of this comment, there are zero votes for Tempestus. Those are going to be the kings of dropping down and popping special weapons at people.

I guess Tempestus are not going to be as popular as the others. However, it is really easy to take a small detachment of them with 1hq 2troops and get their doctrine anyway.

Ive actually got about 50 scions and 8 tauroxes myself and it looks like for the first time I can field them as a full army without any extra imperial backup (i used to have to take a knight since they were squishy)

 Trickstick wrote:

 Tyr13 wrote:
Another vote for Tallarn. My minis are actually steel legion, but... I dont play a mechanised force to hide in static bunker chimeras. I want to zoom across the board. Static gunlines are just... boring.

The stratagem is just icing on the cake.

Just put flamers on your chimeras, then you can move as much as you want. Flamers are pretty good vs orks too, so fluffy.

Yeah, got to agree. Heavy flamers must be the best weapon options for a Chimera. You want to get close anyway and heavy flamers don't care how damaged the Chimera is, as long as it's still on the table.

I'm leaning towards Valhallan myself. I actually like most all the doctrines except for Armageddon and Tallarn, however I could see myself actually giving Tallarns a shot. The Vostroyan one is kind of meh as well.

Catachan seems like the best, along with Cadia.

 Resin Glazed Guardsman wrote:
The Vostroyan one is kind of meh as well.

Don't forget that the doctrine is not the only the only thing that they get, so you can't judge them on that alone. For example, the Vostroyans get one of the best stratagems that gives a unit +1 to hit for 1cp, as well as being able to shoot whilst in combat. I still don't think they are the best but that +1 to hit is nice.

My favourites are Vostroyan, Valhallan and Tallarn.

Vostroyan just seems like a nice little bonus.

Valhallan seems both fluffy and useful, largely negating the need for Commissars and making vehicles much more efficient when damaged.

Tallarn looks fun for fielding more mobile armies.

I definitely want to try all three.

As for the others:

Catachan looks fluffy but isn't really my thing (though I do have some Catachan models, so I might still try it at some point).

Armageddon . . . eh. I think I'd rather go with Vostroyan or Tallarn for better range, or Valhallan for more resilient vehicles.

Mordian isn't really my thing either.

Cadian looks boring as hell.

Tempestus one looks okay . . . except that it pushes people even more towards plasma.

 Insectum7 wrote:
Aesthetically its hard not to love Vostryans though. The models are gorgeous.

Agreed. I'd argue that they're the best of all the IG models (not just in terms of the models but also in terms of the overall aesthetic). I really wish GW would release them in plastic with a full range of gear.

Death Korps.

While it's not strictly a doctrine, everyone knows that it is intended to be one.

Loving the Tallarn rules, especially the stratagem. Oh the possibilities.... Just for laughs I want to hide a DeathStrike until late game where it has a better chance of going off! Or maybe to conceal an artillery battery from a first-turn alpha strike.

I like the doctrine because I hated the -1 to hit with moving vehicles, it just meant you end up staying still which was kind of boring... With 8th edition I was gearing up to put heavy weapons in my infantry squads, but not so sure about that now if my squads are going to be advancing all the time for free. There's never been a better time to be a fan of classic Guard regiments.

Now I just need to finish painting all my Tallarns!

I like the Armageddon Steel Legion doctrine.

I may be biased tho...

Catachan and Tallarn are my fav right now.

I play mech guard and prefer to stay mobile so Cadian is just very dull to me, and the re-roll's are easy enough to come by regardless.

Adding +1 Str to the infantry and re-rolling all of my favorite vehicle weapons is just too good to pass up.

Likewise basically being Eldar with IG tanks is awesome.

I'm definitely leaning towards Catachan or Tallarn for my mech force. My foot/siege will probably run Catachan or Mordian.

 Arclaw wrote:
Now I just need to finish painting all my Tallarns!

Me too! Although there was a mix up with the requisition forms and they happened to get a shipment of Cadian armour. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be fine.

 Trickstick wrote:

 Arclaw wrote:
Now I just need to finish painting all my Tallarns!

Me too! Although there was a mix up with the requisition forms and they happened to get a shipment of Cadian armour. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be fine.

Sure it will! I've got a feeling that it's not an isolated incident by any means- The munitorum are shipping Cadian armour everywhere these days

 Arclaw wrote:

 Trickstick wrote:

 Arclaw wrote:
Now I just need to finish painting all my Tallarns!

Me too! Although there was a mix up with the requisition forms and they happened to get a shipment of Cadian armour. Oh well, I'm sure it'll be fine.

Sure it will! I've got a feeling that it's not an isolated incident by any means- The munitorum are shipping Cadian armour everywhere these days

Im feeling the same way about a lot of regiments I want to collect them all! My current solution is to keep the baseline guys the same and use my 10-20 metal regiment guys as Sgts and commanders until I find the one I like the most and invest in some mens. Also im going to paint my conscripts in prison jumpsuit orange to make them Regiment neutral.