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This is not intended to be a troll thread at all. I'm just curious what you all truly think.

With only a handful of codices remaining to be released, GW will have everything finished for 8th Edition with the exception of FAQs and this year's Chapter Approved update.

So, it makes me wonder, it's GW going to treat 8th Edition like AoS and keep it around essentially indefinitely only making changes to it via FAQs and a yearly Chapter Approved. Or do you think that once they get all of the codices out, they'll start the push to 9th Edition providing maybe one more update to Chapter Approved and the FAQs before making the switch?

SG

My hunch is that 8th will be around for a while. I think they're trying out the living rules thing.

We may well get an 8.1 and so on, where they rerelease the rulebook and Codexes with updates and errata. But I don't expect a full reboot for several years.

Stux wrote:
My hunch is that 8th will be around for a while. I think they're trying out the living rules thing.

We may well get an 8.1 and so on, where they rerelease the rulebook and Codexes with updates and errata. But I don't expect a full reboot for several years.

I hope this is the case. Because I'm a big fan of 8th.

They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Could it be 9th ed, no fliers

40k has never been more popular than it is right now.
40k's competitive scene is finally getting support from GW, and that's having a trickledown effect on the community.
8th is getting constant updates, which will probably extend its longevity past most of its previous iterations.
GW's profits are through the roof.
= 8th is here for a long time to stay, I'd reckon.

Until such time as GW actually figure out how to deliver FAQs, etc., in a consolidated manner i.e. your codex updates automatically following an errata., etc., they need to knock the whole constant update shennanigans on the head.

Yes, it introduces balance but at the cost of the end user not having a fething clue at times whether or not their codex is up to date because it is hidden behind a paywall.

Fluff for hardbacks but rules are e-codex only which get updated, or buy the physical copy and get the e-codex free - the latter being capable of auto updates.

In summary, bit of a rant sorry, but they need to stop edition transitions until they get the damned 'living document' issue sorted.

N.B. I don't use e-codices.

Also, what is their hard on for iOS and 'better codices'? They can give exactly the same functionality to Android users, just the design department prefer to use Macs 'cause they are trendy?

40k has never been more popular than it is right now.

Given GW has never done any market research of census of playerbase, we dont know that is true, we dont even know if more people are playing now other than circumstantial evidence.

40k's competitive scene is finally getting support from GW, and that's having a trickledown effect on the community.

This has always been the case with the notable exception of 6th and most of 7th, the Tourney scene has ALWAYS influenced normal play, the internet has had more of an impact on this than anything GW has done.

8th is getting constant updates, which will probably extend its longevity past most of its previous iterations.

same as 2nd/3rd/4th/5th/6th/7th and now 8th, all were constantly updated, just 6th/7th were not FAQ'd much if at all, the biggest issue with 7th was the CONSTANT updates and rules bloat outside of the main rulebook.

GW's profits are through the roof.

Funny how good marketing will do that

= 8th is here for a long time to stay, I'd reckon.

I agree it will be around for a few years, I predict 9th end of 2019 to mid 2020

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

I think it's gonna stay for a while just because GW needs to build the foundation of the new style. I think once the final codex is out we will see it for another year before 9th. Hopefully 9th will remove turn one deep strike, and balance out the alpha strike. But.

tneva82 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

Replacing an unpopular edition within 2 years does not equate to "releasing new editions every 2 years."

Dandelion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

Replacing an unpopular edition within 2 years does not equate to "releasing new editions every 2 years."

By what metric are you saying its unpopular, its clearly popular enough for HH to still be a strong thing that is GROWING in player base, 7th also had a solid following throughout its life, just because us dakkaites think 7th (40k) sucked, doesnt make it so.

My view is that GW has worked out a new way to approach their game with 8th edition. Instead of a totally new edition every few years I hope they'll see 8th more like a continual evolution of the game.

Therefore I expect to see the core rules remain around for a long time; however the various armies will get updates through the chapter approved each year and through errata and FAQ releases in between.

In addition we will likely see new armies and also new models for existing armies released with rules in the box.


So that sets things up nicely for a re-release of army codex every few years with an update in lore; update in core rules and generally collating things together.




This gives GW the ability to stick with its rolling rulebooks and codex model (which no matter how some complain - it is a proven working method). In addition alongside that I expect to see their digital products update on their own over time; perhaps even offering a price for Lore updates whilst rules are free.

That means GW will encourage people to go for the digital product, but won't abandon the print product - which could in time become a more exclusive item for GW to sell.



At this stage I think GW releasing a new edition so fast after 8th would be a very poor move. They'd also likely risk burning themselves out with another fast turn around of all rules materials and I think it would have a huge backlash effect. 8th I think is here to stay.

You're going to get a solid 3-4 more years of 8th, minimum. A massive whole-scale change is too big and difficult to carry out. Also with it being a living ruleset you could see it run even longer. Even if we end up with 8th V2.0

9th will come out next year making you constantly buy new rule books is too good of a money maker.

8th is likely to be around awhile - and whenever 9th comes out, it's more likely to be a refinement than a total reboot.

 Formosa wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

Replacing an unpopular edition within 2 years does not equate to "releasing new editions every 2 years."

By what metric are you saying its unpopular, its clearly popular enough for HH to still be a strong thing that is GROWING in player base, 7th also had a solid following throughout its life, just because us dakkaites think 7th (40k) sucked, doesnt make it so.

Just look at their stock price: it has tripled since 2017.
I personally never played 7th, but even outside of dakka I never got a good impression of the game, it was pretty clear not many people liked it at all. So, yes it was unpopular.

Dandelion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

Replacing an unpopular edition within 2 years does not equate to "releasing new editions every 2 years."

By what metric are you saying its unpopular, its clearly popular enough for HH to still be a strong thing that is GROWING in player base, 7th also had a solid following throughout its life, just because us dakkaites think 7th (40k) sucked, doesnt make it so.

Just look at their stock price: it has tripled since 2017.
I personally never played 7th, but even outside of dakka I never got a good impression of the game, it was pretty clear not many people liked it at all. So, yes it was unpopular.

7th had issues, just as 8th does. The biggest issue with 7th was codex creep and bad codex design. The base rule set is honestly pretty good I overall I like 7th more then 8th as a BASE rule set.

That said, I am a huge 30k fan and my forays into 8th have been mediocre.

 Formosa wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

Replacing an unpopular edition within 2 years does not equate to "releasing new editions every 2 years."

By what metric are you saying its unpopular, its clearly popular enough for HH to still be a strong thing that is GROWING in player base, 7th also had a solid following throughout its life, just because us dakkaites think 7th (40k) sucked, doesnt make it so.

Wait, what? Do you have any evidence to backup any of these claims? Not saying you don't, just would be shocked to see it.


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 Asmodai wrote:
8th is likely to be around awhile - and whenever 9th comes out, it's more likely to be a refinement than a total reboot.

I think we're more likely to see an 8.1 than a 9th edition.

I don't think that there will ever be something like a 9th edition

8th is just 8 pages of rules and I don't expect that those are going to change
one reason for having minimum core rules is that you can change everything else around them

actually we are playing 9th already after CA (you already see the same difference in faction power for those written with CA in mind and those without), and you can expect 10th with the new Space Marine Codex


So it will be similar to Age of Sigmar which has now its 3rd Edition if you would speak in outdated terms but as the core rules never change it is still the 1st Edi but the game is nothing like it was back by release

 Marmatag wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
They haven't even released all of the codexes yet.

8th edition is alive for at least 2 more years at the absolute minimum.

Gw has been releasing new editions every 2 year lately. No reason 9th can't be out next year. Of course unlikely to be total reboot but then again whoknows. Reboots makes money so...

Replacing an unpopular edition within 2 years does not equate to "releasing new editions every 2 years."

By what metric are you saying its unpopular, its clearly popular enough for HH to still be a strong thing that is GROWING in player base, 7th also had a solid following throughout its life, just because us dakkaites think 7th (40k) sucked, doesnt make it so.

Wait, what? Do you have any evidence to backup any of these claims? Not saying you don't, just would be shocked to see it.


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 Asmodai wrote:
8th is likely to be around awhile - and whenever 9th comes out, it's more likely to be a refinement than a total reboot.

I think we're more likely to see an 8.1 than a 9th edition.

Yep, if 7th was as unpopular as the dakka community claims the company would have folded the edition within months, it obviously sold well enough for the mountain of terrible supplements it got, where as 30ks biggest barrier was cost, 30k aptly proves that the main rules were fine, it was the codexs that totally ruined 7th 40k for a lot of people, in spite of that it sold and was popular the world over, just not with us.

Still the funniest thing for me was primarily 40k sites wants heresy in 8th, where as primarily 30k sites wanted it to stay with 7th, both have merits.

I hope it will last at least 3-4 years. I basically started playing 8th edition 4 days ago after the drukhari codex release since 8th edition with index is barely 40k, IMHO the worst 40k experience ever. 2/3 of my armies are still unplayable with the index. So yeah, I wish 9th edition doesn't come before 2020 at least.

Once all the codexes get released, we'll have a few mini-codexes to milk us, then they will release 8.5 (or 9th) with a new SM Codex that removes manlette marines (while canonically upgrading the special characters, even the ones that don't make sense like Tycho), and also makes index units illegal, with an official "counts as" provision to use your old marines as Chad Marines

Not saying they'll do this, but I don't see why GW can't just release a yearly rules supplement in Chapter Approved, and keep the game in 8th edition for a very long time. Rereleasing codexes as they see necessary.

That seems to be pretty much the way things look moving forward.

I really don't want 8th to be long term as the core mechanics of 8th are what keep me away from playing it but sadly it seems that is what GW wants to do with Chapter Approved. I think the concept of an evolving and updating rule set is fine but I don't think GW had the knowledge on how to do that when building 8th. They let the goal of making the game beginner accessible shoot themselves in the foot when it came to building a solid foundation to work from.

I think it will be a living rules set like they are doing with AOS. It won't be "9th Edition" they will just adjust the rules frequently. We are done with editions IMHO.

I think 8th has a while to go. The new FAQ systems seem to be increasing the time between editions for other systems and I don't see why it wouldn't have the same effect here. We'll probably have a couple years at least of 1-2 'event' books that'll contain a couple new models, some CA-style missions, fluff and stratagems.

RT (1987)
2nd edition (1993)
3rd edition (1998)
4th edition (2004)
5th edition (2008)
6th edition (2012)
7th edition (2014)
8th edition (2017)

I played RT, and now I'm buying into 8th edition. It seems like the time between editions has halved over the years. Slimming down the core rules is good for the gameplay and for the ability to update it without releasing a new edition, but GW needs to find a sensible way to make updates without FAQ bloat.

 deathwinguk wrote:
RT (1987)
2nd edition (1993)
3rd edition (1998)
4th edition (2004)
5th edition (2008)
6th edition (2012)
7th edition (2014)
8th edition (2017)

I played RT, and now I'm buying into 8th edition. It seems like the time between editions has halved over the years. Slimming down the core rules is good for the gameplay and for the ability to update it without releasing a new edition, but GW needs to find a sensible way to make updates. I'd rather they maintained a single shiny PDF to go with each book instead of separate scrappy errata / FAQs and then CA each year. I'd even pay a small yearly subscription for that.

I suspect they'll go the PP route in 9th and just release a PDF with the BRB just a 'collectors item'