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What would you say are the top tier Codexes of 8th edition. You see them at nearly every tournament, and they are consistently dominating 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.

Ynnari and Imperial flavors of soup basically dominate everything. Nids, Tau, and CSM are probably in the next tier down.

Death Guard are top tier.

Martel732 wrote:
Death Guard are top tier.

Good army but I wouldn't put their codex in my top three. Might come close if we're talking pre-FAQ, but certainly not right now.

*spits out soda*

Who said harlequins lol

 Arth-Rytis wrote:
What would you say are the top tier Codexes of 8th edition. You see them at nearly every tournament, and they are consistently dominating 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place.

So this is like an open-book test?

ThePorcupine wrote:
*spits out soda*

Who said harlequins lol

probably the same person that said GK

I voted Drukhari (though I think it's the Dark Eldar + Eldar alliance that really breaks it with the psychic support), but IG and Eldar might be a tied second place.

Also, who voted Grey Knights? lmao.

Darsath wrote:
Also, who voted Grey Knights? lmao.

Probably the same two people who voted Ellucidian Starstriders.

There are certain soup builds that use small components of certain codexes, but I don't think that makes those Codexes the Strongest. For example, you see Dawneagle bikes, Skyweavers, Black Heart Ravagers, and Smash Captains a lot, doesn't mean their Codexes are the strongest.

I'd put the Strongest Codexes at:
Tyranids
Craftworld
Imperial Knights
With Death Guard, Guard, and Drukhari being close behind.

A.T. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Also, who voted Grey Knights? lmao.

Probably the same two people who voted Ellucidian Starstriders.

Well, since the OP didn't ask a serious question, I didn't feel the need to give a serious reply.

ccs wrote:

A.T. wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Also, who voted Grey Knights? lmao.

Probably the same two people who voted Ellucidian Starstriders.

Well, since the OP didn't ask a serious question, I didn't feel the need to give a serious reply.

How is that not a serious question?

Anything that can 'soup' seems to be the hot flavour.

Standalone - I would say IG purely for CP shenanigans

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
Anything that can 'soup' seems to be the hot flavour.

Standalone - I would say IG purely for CP shenanigans

But CP aren't that valuable to IG. They're handy, sure, but not nearly as powerful as CP for, say, Custodes or Knights.

But Imperial Guard is still an insanely OP army.

The prevalence of soup just obscures it.


Try running a mono-Codex event, and you'll see Pask/Tank Commander spam and/or Shadowblade-variant Spam brutalize these events.


SoCal Open finals after the first 10 minutes was essentially 1300 points of mono-Catachans winning against 2000 points of Ynnari.



People complain about Ynnari now. Wonder what they'd do if Dark Reapers could just natively double shoot like Leman Russes, no psychic power point of failure or limited to one unit, lol. Or move-move-move Spears across the table. And all without losing Chapter traits, etc.. Lol.

Darsath wrote:
I voted Drukhari (though I think it's the Dark Eldar + Eldar alliance that really breaks it with the psychic support), but IG and Eldar might be a tied second place.

Also, who voted Grey Knights? lmao.

QFT. Yvraine and double-shooting dark reapers regularly kill my face (plus scourge bomb will pick anything off they have missed)

Sunny Side Up wrote:
But Imperial Guard is still an insanely OP army.

The prevalence of soup just obscures it.


Try running a mono-Codex event, and you'll see Pask/Tank Commander spam and/or Shadowblade-variant Spam brutalize these events.


SoCal Open finals after the first 10 minutes was essentially 1300 points of mono-Catachans winning against 2000 points of Ynnari.



People complain about Ynnari now. Wonder what they'd do if Dark Reapers could just natively double shoot like Leman Russes, no psychic power point of failure or limited to one unit, lol. Or move-move-move Spears across the table. And all without losing Chapter traits, etc.. Lol.

MHM, SoCal was, how to put it, won thanks to wierd rules aswell as certain ICT or ITC houseruling, making shenaniganery possible unchargeable unshootable units hiding in a building using mortars. Secondly the castelan intself ate enough fire to be worth it, and made the rest of the rather squishy IG surivive that much longer, not to mention forcing the hand of the Eldar player into some manouvers which were favourable for the Imperial player afterwards.

Pasks and Tank commanders are basically what ammounts to a leman russ toughness wise and are only really problematic thanks to bs 2+ , in the case of pask, but he is a one off and if , like it is atm, killing a knight in one turn as shooting power for tournament lists is mandatory then i think you should not struggle with a little leman russ.
Thridly doubleshootung turret gun if the tank has moved, reducing sponson accuracy, as a side note, it's not just a flat upgrade like cacophony or soulburst.

Thousand Sons
Knights
Guard
DE
Ynnari



This one was easy


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And of course Elucidian Starstriders, glad someone voted for that clearly overpowered faction

 SHUPPET wrote:

And of course Elucidian Starstriders, glad someone voted for that clearly overpowered faction

Not just 1, 5 people, you have to respect the commitment to the troll. Either that or those individuals are so high slanesh would be proud.

Bit too early to put Orks in there.

Mini codexes should also be exempt.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Bit too early to put Orks in there.

Mini codexes should also be exempt.

Instead of minicodexes why not certain soups? IG+Knights+ BA for exemple.

Do people really have a problem with AM? They're one of my easier Matchups. Must just be a local meta thing...

Need to add a new voting option - 'anything with a 4 point imperial guardsman (aaaiiieeee)'

I like how when you poll dakka dakka on this subject, the results couldn't be further from reality.

The nine people who picked BA made a bad choice and should feel bad.

 Marmatag wrote:
I like how when you poll dakka dakka on this subject, the results couldn't be further from reality.

Explain? This seems pretty much on the money. Even when you factor allies - the strongest allies are getting the most votes.

Am
CWE
DE
IK
DG/TS




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Martel732 wrote:
The nine people who picked BA made a bad choice and should feel bad.

Blame smash captain butthurt

Smash Capt already doa after faq.

Martel732 wrote:
Smash Capt already doa after faq.

That's the problem with butt hurt - it sticks around for a long time. Sometimes multiple editions.

As said,
CWE/DE, IG/Knights, TS/DG are probably the top tier.

If you had to name just one book I'd probably say CWE. I think they have the most impact on the meta and serve to keep IG honest. I suspect that without everyone's favorite psychic power mono DE might have more difficulty with knights.

Really though in a world where there was no soup I think Tau and Tyranids would be scoring up there too. Even the Marine factions are no so dreadful you can't pull off wins - although its more likely to be via objectives than tabling your opponent.

 Marmatag wrote:
I like how when you poll dakka dakka on this subject, the results couldn't be further from reality.

GK have done poorly in GTs throughout this edition. Do you have access to data that the rest of us don't have? Are there a bunch of secret basement tournaments with 100-200 of the best players in the country showing up that are being dominated by GK and we all just don't know about it?