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2020/04/13 22:55:19
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
Hi again. I just started playing some warhammer again after a long break. After some games with Tyranids I felt confident enough to dip into bringing my GSC to the battle. I was hesitant, as GSC has a lot of things going on.
Anyway, I do remember having my santus with sniper rifle popping up turn 1 and shoot a psyker. Perhaps that was in the small window between codex publishing and before the rule change that tactical reserves can not arrive turn 1?
Is there any way for GSC to arive from reserve turn 1? I thought maiby in our own deployment zone or something?
Cheers.
2020/04/14 09:23:54
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
Could you be more spesific on how to get first turn charge?
I also play tyrnids. (Started collecting GSC because I remember them from 2nd edition. They are really cool! And I wanted allies for my Nids.) If I want first turn charges as a Nid I will usualy go kraken genestealers and the swarmlord.
2020/04/14 13:00:50
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
While I am not an expert on the subject I would say no.
The rules for shooting states who can shoot and the rules that follow after that. Units that have advanced can not shoot.
Under grenades it states that each time a unit shoots one of the models can throw a grenade. But since you have advanced you can not shoot.
A unit with assault weapon may fire the assault weapon even if they advances. If you do so you suptrack 1 from any hit roll when firering that weapon. Since it refers to the weapon I would assume you can only fire the ssault weapon.
The rule for assault weapon does not let you throw a grenade instead as the overall rules says you can not shoot if you have advanced.
If you want to argue further take it to YMTC part of the forum.
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2020/04/14 23:28:13
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
If I am running a 10 man squad with mininglasers to apear from ambush would you rather run the with webers for 1 point or grenade launchers for 3 points?
Grenade launchers seems unapealing for me. Unlessyou shoot at T6 you are wounding on 5+ with krak grenade.
Weber on the other han is S4 range 16 and auto hits. Also will work very good as owerwatch vs charges. What do you think?
Also, the power maul? 4 points for S5 seems very exspesie. Can you ever see it making its points back?
2020/04/16 08:46:51
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
The thing about the webbers is you are not taking a 10 man squad for 50 points and thinking 'I am taking this for the webbers.' You are buying the squad for a purpose. Like say shooting mining lasers.
When you have already spent 74 points on mining lasers the cost of 2 points for two weabbers seems like a good bargain.
I do not know how good shotgun squads are. But the webber pistol sounds OK in there as well. Although if you are range 6 flamers could be good as well.
2d3 autohits S4 on overwatch makes sure you kill at least one model if something regular charges you.
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2020/04/16 17:44:45
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
The tyranid shooting units are hive guards impaler cannons and exoshrines. One has shoot x2 stratagem. Other has slimer maggots.
For anfantery everybody run flying tyrants with slimer maggots. Some people run carnifexes as well.
Those are the standar once. Here are some non standar. Still good but nieche, or just less popular.
Every one run impaler cannons. But the tesla weapons actually came out best for expected damage. Try them out.
Tyranofex with rupture cannon is better vs T8 then others.
Heavy venom cannon is good after the drop in price. Put them on tyrants or carnifexes. 36 range means possitoningbis less important, so yiu can stil huntvinfantery with the slimer weapons.
Tyranofex with the flamer is good. Very good vs planes. Very good with cheap screens, meaning enemies staybput within 18".
Gaunts with the 3 attack gun out of a tunnel with shoot x2 stratgem is 180 S4 shots. Very impresive.
If you do pick warriors venom cannon is OK. But very unreliable. (Also look in blood of ball for the MSU reroll trait: Synaptic Augmentation. Good for small units of venom and heavy venom cannons.)
To a different topic: How do people like their ridge runners? I am trying to compare it to the lascannon heavy weapon platform. They come out at 80 points for 3 shots. The ridgerunner comes out at 60 with d3 shots. (2 on averadge.) Does that make the ridgerunner viable? Or are we just paying to much?
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2020/04/21 19:10:00
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
But many of these apply to the heavy weapon team as well. I do not care about the stubbers, I only want the anti tank.
Overcharged weaponary is ridgerunner spesefic. I suppose meticalus uprising is better once you reach 2 ridgerunners. Most of the others can be applied to heavy weapon teams as well. But there are some good ideas in there. (Might push it far ahead of carnifexes and walking hive tyrants with heavy venom cannons.)
2020/04/22 15:14:27
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
I have come across a spare GSC neophyte spruce. I currently have four squads armed identical: 2 mining lasers, 2 webbers, leader with autogun and chainsword.
My question is what should I be arming the 5th 10 man squad as. I feel 10 identical squads might be to many for diversatys sake. Perhaps give them grenade launchers instead of webbers? On the other hand they are a very versatile group that can do plenty.
Usualy i use them in a combined GSC and nids army, so I use 33 point ripper swarm as objective grabbers. Also my fancy deoployment stratagems as usually used elsewhere, so a fancy shotgunsquad might not be what I am looking for. I usualy run them in bladed caugh. Suggestions are welcome.
2020/04/29 19:00:19
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
Yeah, they could work as count as bikers. Although I suspect bikes move a lot faster then a horse. And hence it would be a bit odd. But it could work.
If they are cheaper then bikes that is a good reason. But I really enjoy the dirt bikes. The dirt bikes really matches the high cordinated but budget oriented GSC cult moving in the unseen and doing sabotage qork to slowly overtake the world.
Both are great models though. The new mecanicus range is great. I really love the Frank Herbert ornitopthers.
(Perhaps you could stick a magis in the cockpit and do a cpunt as flying hive tyrant?)
2020/05/16 23:52:29
Subject: Re:Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
BlaxicanX wrote: Can I get some feedback on this 1000 point list? I'm new to GSC and will be doing practice matches on Tabletop simulator. My local meta is mostly gunline armies in Mechanicus, IG and Deathwatch.
Achilles Ridgerunners [4 PL, 59pts] . Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser, 2x Heavy Stubber
Achilles Ridgerunners [4 PL, 59pts] . Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser, 2x Heavy Stubber
Achilles Ridgerunners [4 PL, 59pts] . Achilles Ridgerunner: Flare Launcher, Heavy Mining Laser, 2x Heavy Stubber
++ Total: [60 PL, 998pts] ++
The general plan is to clear chaff with the Ridgerunners and Neophytes, then DS the Abberants, Acolytes and Iconoward over turns 2 and 3. I'm not committed to any of these units, so the sky's the limit in changing things around.
What does the second group of hyrbids do? Ido not like them. You will pay 3 CP for the first one for the perfect ambush. 3 CP for the second seems bad. Shurley you are gonne use the stratagem for aberants insread. (Stil, 6 CP?!)
If you have greater good book have the 3 ridgerunners in the same group. Both the laser and stubber stratagem works for the whole unit. I asume you are using the hive cult for their stratgem? I would consider grabbing mining lasers instead of heavy stubbers for the neophytes because you need lasers. If you do that do bladed cog instead for the move and shoot.
You can alternativly cosider having the sanctus sniper (great in bladed cog), the gunslinger or a 10 man group of acolyte hybrids with hand flamers. Use the 2 CP stratagem for the last 2 units.
Othervice looks good enough. Have fun.
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2020/05/17 10:32:51
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults 8th Edition Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
The ridgerunner is not just crappy IG. They are unique and point effective.
You can run 2 squads of melee, but you are comitting 6 of your 8 CP. The therd melee squad is not worth it.
You can consider a handflamer squad of 10 people to use the 1 CP 3" deploy stratagem.
You can consider 2 batalions for 13 cp.
I am not a fan of the stubber grenade launcher squads. One to grab objectives if fine. But 3 of them is a lot. Consider a bare brood brother version for a 33% discountvif they only are there to grabbobjectives.
2020/06/03 08:13:49
Subject: Re:Codex Genestealer Cults Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
We are discussing favoret MC in the gsc thread witch is a bit odd.
Anywah, do not dump on the tyranofex. It is nieche, but good:
The flamer has been our best weapon vs flyers. It is good with slimet maggot stratgrm vs vehicels and with fearless screens it is quite dangerush.
The rupture cannon comes out better then hiveguards and exoshrines vs T8. You rarly do not see it in all commers lists as hive guards and exoshrines are not far behind it vs T8, and they are better vs 2 wound primarises. T8 is something nids have a real problem with, so it has a function. Usualy GSC are also good at dealing with T8 so the rupture cannon tyranofex gets often blocked out.
2020/06/05 08:28:56
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
Look have rending claws become free? If so Metamorphs can be quite good. (I currently runn my group with 2 metamorphs that where very cheap during 8th edition. Hitting on 2's, re-rolling 1's. Good for murdering infantery.)
2020/07/13 12:21:48
Subject: Codex Genestealer Cults Tactica: Our day of ascention draws near!
I had my first game of 9th yesterday. Nid and GSC vs Orks. 2000 points After end of turn 1 I had no CP left.
I was wondering if perhaps if I am the only one who feels that I will not have points to use a perfect ambush in 9th edition? Perhaps it is different in a pure GSC list.
