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 Siygess wrote:
Soo.. Imperial Guard Veteran profile has a lasgun and bayonet, huh? That'll teach me to model my IG veteran models with a mixture of shotguns, autoguns and lasguns..

The good news is that you're probably fine.
That card we see is a specific "loadout" per its keywords.

Reading from left to right:
Kill Team "faction" is Veteran Guardsman(with Guard symbol), with a superfaction of "Imperium", faction of "Astra Militarum", subfaction of <Regiment>, specific unit is "Trooper Veteran". Next to it are four "paths" that they can take...of which the Trooper Veteran can only take two(Staunch and Scout):



It lines up with what they say at the bottom:

Lastly, there’s a keyword section at the bottom of the card – familiar to players of Warhammer 40,000 – that lets you quickly see if an operative is affected by rules that target a specific keyword. Next to that is an array of four symbols representing the specialisms your operatives can adopt during a narrative play campaign as you build a kill team of storied heroes. We’ll be taking a much closer look at narrative play in a future article too.

Shotguns might be an unlockable wargear piece or specific to a profile type or any number of things. With WarCry? We have specific cards for specific weapon loadouts. I could easily see that being the case here...especially since we've seen Marksmen, Medics, and Vox Operators.

Kaffis wrote:

I seem to recall seeing, when Adam flipped through the book on-stream, that some of the Krieg datacards had some pretty extensive weapon lists.

What I suspect is that what we've been previewed is the "front-line" basic trooper, who by dint of that GA2 that hasn't been talked about, is constrained by the rules to a basic weapon setup. I don't think each weapon loadout is going to get its own datacard, but I think that when we do see the Veteran Guardsman Gunner (or whatever it's called), it'll have a broad selection of weapons.

This is essentially saying you can't equip your comms specialist with a meltagun. Trooper Veterans have some quality that makes it valuable to game balance to limit their options. (Again, I'm betting it's the GA2 -- if I had to guess it means you can activate two Trooper Veterans at a time. Getting to do that with two Long Las equipped models at a time would be MUCH more powerful, for example)

I'm so glad you brought this up, because you made me think to go back to the video!

00:49:42 is when we get to see that stuff. It's in the "Octarius" booklet, not the main book. It looks like it is because it is a premade Kill Team with a bit of wiggle room for weapon choices on the Gunner Veteran, Sergeant, and Confidant.

The profiles are:
Trooper Veteran(as we've seen)
Sniper Veteran(Long-Las only plus a Bayonet)
Sergeant Veteran(Laspistol, Chainsword, Boltgun, Bolt Pistol, Plasma Pistol, Power Sword, or Bayonet)
Gunner Veteran(Flamer, Grenade Launcher, Plasma Gun, Meltagun, Bayonet)
Confidant Veteran(same options as Sergeant Veteran--also has a 2nd in Command rule)
Zealot Veteran(same as Trooper Veteran)
Medic Veteran(same as Trooper Veteran)
Demolitions Veteran(same as Trooper Veteran--but also explosives!)
Comms Veteran(same as TV)
Hardened Veteran(same as TV--plus weapon profile for bionic arm)
Bruiser Veteran(same as TV--plus the club!)
Spotter Veteran(same as TV--plus an artillery barrage!)


That's all I could see before Troke closed the book. It looks like there aren't shotguns...or if there are, it might be on a different unit we haven't seen yet. Sorry, Siygess!

So bets on how long before we get Aeldari Outcasts, Vanguard Organisms, and Brood Brothers Kill-Team sets?

chaos0xomega wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
So bets on how long before we get Aeldari Outcasts, Vanguard Organisms, and Brood Brothers Kill-Team sets?

Hopefully not too long of a wait. My Tyranid Kill Team was 4 Lictors. Hoping I can still run them.

I would assume so, even if we get a Vanguard Organisms setup.

Worth mentioning though that the "factions" breakdown has Veteran Guardsmen and Kommandos as their own factions. While Greenskins still get access to "Clan Kommandos"(the photo there uses the metal/resin Kommandos rather than the new plastics), Veteran Guardsmen are not listed under Astra Militarum.

If I had to make a wild ballpark guess for what factions might see further treatments?
Vanguard Organisms to bring out a new Lictor brood set.
Brood Brothers, since the GSC are weirdly called out as "Brood Covens" rather than just "Genestealer Cultists".
Aeldari Outcasts, bringing in Corsairs.

So we're clear:
The Octarius manual is what had the Veteran Guardsmen/Kommando rules in it on the stream.



They made it sound like the Compendium was going to feature the add-ons condensed into one spot.

 Garfield666 wrote:

So... tomorrow is the day of prices and limited availability, right?

Article says August. We'll get a Sunday preview article and then Monday through Wednesday is when prices usually get posted by indies.

 The Phazer wrote:
TBH the latest article reads like even the author thinks the units for movement are stupid.

I guess that's one way to entirely not read what is actually said?

It says they've had lots of questions and that if you want to, you can just use a tape measure.

 Insurgency Walker wrote:
What are the odds the individual Teams will be available separately from the box set near launch?

Pariah Nexus went up for preorder on February 27th, 2021.
Preorders for the Heavy Intercessors and Flayed Ones as individual releases was May 22nd.

Buuuuuuuuut, I wouldn't expect Kommandos to be unavailable for the codex when that releases (which is at least a month or two out) as an individual thing.

 kirotheavenger wrote:

Yeah you're right, I hadn't paid the terrain any attention as I'm not even slightly interested in it.

Damn, hopefully I can find an Ork player but I imagine demand for Krieg to significantly outstrip demand for the Orks.

Ehhh...

Kommandos are Kommandos and will be locked in the box too--probably for at least 3 months. The Krieg stuff is just regular ol' Guardsmen. People will probably trying to sell them at exorbitant prices, but that's always the case.

Chopstick wrote:
Hard to say until rules are out, they still used <Keyword> which meant they can both be used on the same team, or as alliance.

Or it just means that subfaction rules are in.

Cadian Veterans are still Cadians, after all.

Activations article

Most actions cost one AP, including moving, charging, shooting, and fighting in hand-to-hand combat, while falling back costs two – it takes a lot of concentration to disengage when the bullets and power swords start flying, after all.

But here’s the clever bit – most baseline humans and xenos have two AP, allowing them to move and shoot in a single activation, for instance, or charge and fight (though you can’t typically repeat an action). However, Astartes and Chaos Space Marines, as imposing transhuman paragons of war in the 41st Millennium, get a princely three AP per activation* which is a neat way to demonstrate their effortless superiority. Custodes, meanwhile, get four – enough said.

* As do Harlequins for that matter, though not Rubricae.**

** The designers really have thought of everything.

 Chairman Aeon wrote:
So what’s the point of having 3 or 4 action points if you can’t repeat actions? Sure Move-Charge-Attack or Shoot-Charge-Attack are cool, but you can’t do that every round.

The new Kill Team rules are far more flexible. Operatives now have a stat called Action Point Limit (APL for short) – and you can spend these points (AP) on any action that’s available to them. Actions include dashing for cover, charging into combat, taking a shot, or using an ability that’s unique to a particular combatant. Here’s a choice selection of a few actions available to your operatives.

That's where it would, likely, come more into play. The Veterans had a few datacards with unique actions.

jullevi wrote:
This feels like it is designed to match the contents of Death Korps and Kommandos boxed sets. Build models, choose a number of them for a scenario and split into Fire Teams if required. No need to fiddle with points or anything.

It would of course work better if similar kits were available for other armies too.

Until we see the lists, it's a bit hard to judge.

I will say that the Guard one is...interesting.

Kommandos can still show up in the standard "Greenskins" list as well. It seems like they might get a different setup though from the Kommandos list.

That's the "basic" Dire Avenger. So a baseline Aeldari Aspect Warrior has 2APL.

Nothing stopping Exarchs/unit leaders from having more potentially.

Expect some news on Kill Team soon(tm). They had posted up a thing on Twitter that showcased a bunch of the cards for the various factions.

I didn't save any, unfortunately, and the tweets themselves are deleted but can read off some of the stats from the thumbnails I sent someone.
Rubric Marine(Warrior)
3 Circle, 2APL, 1GA, 3 DEF, 3+Sv, 12W.

All is Dust: Lotta words, summary is that the Operative gets to be a 2+ save versus shooting attacks with a normal damage of 3 or less.
Favoured by Change: 5+ Invulnerable Save

Inferno Boltgun: 4A, 3+WS/BS 3/4DMG AP1
Fists: 3A, 3+WS/BS 3/4DMG
Chaos, Arcana Astartes, <Great Cult>, Rubric Marine, Warrior keywords.
Shieldy bit(I want to say it's Stalwart?) and Marksman specializations


Genestealer Cultist Neophyte(Gunner)
3O, 2APL, 1GA, 3 DEF, 5+Sv, 7W

Flamer
Grenade Launcher
Webber(has Stun!)
Gun Butt

The expected keywords
Scout and Marksman specializations

Reivers and Chaos Space Marines both had APL 3

Meltaguns have range Hexagon and MW4 as a special rule.

Looks like they just decided to go ahead and post all the images.

Reiver(Warrior)


Rubric Marine(Warrior)


Chaos Space Marine(Gunner)


Kommando Grot


Neophyte Hybrid(Gunner)

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
It seems kinda poorly designed when maybe 90% of the models are going to have 4 of the stats be identical.

This also kinda confirms that Sv is supposed to represent your armor, not how good you are at avoiding being shot, and wounds represent toughness. So the close combat rules ignoring the Sv makes no sense.

It's looking more and more like CC ignoring Sv is because of the decent volume of attacks that even Gunners can make in CC would be a bit much.

Ex:
Fists on the Marines that had the profile today? 4 attacks. Even the Neophyte had 3 CC attacks at 4+ from their gun butt. The Grot Kommando had the least impressive statline being 3A with a WS of 5+ and Dmg of 1/4.

We know that certain profiles will have unique actions and it's not impossible that specializations will have actions as well.

Considering the little goon is called "Distraction Grot" in the new Kommando unit for the codex?

100% okay.

Bloodletter profile card

Ehh...it's possible that they came up with the abstraction first and were told to "go easy" on doing things too out there.

Wouldn't be the first time.

The icons indicate Combat and Scout.

 privateer4hire wrote:
So $200. Wonder if the core book will be $60. And the compendium is needed on top of the core unless you’re playing krieg or kommandoes, right?

Correct. The Octarius book that's included in the box, in all likelihood, is going to be strictly those two and all of their options plus a campaign or something of that ilk.

 privateer4hire wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 privateer4hire wrote:
So $200. Wonder if the core book will be $60. And the compendium is needed on top of the core unless you’re playing krieg or kommandoes, right?

Correct. The Octarius book that's included in the box, in all likelihood, is going to be strictly those two and all of their options plus a campaign or something of that ilk.

Thank you. I wasn’t a million percent sure on compendium being required to play.

My understanding is that the Compendium is a complete list of all the Kill Teams themselves, separated out from the main rules.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Without which you can’t play because you won’t have stats needed to build a team, weapons and equipment explanations, etc., right?

Literally no real idea at this point. We'll know next week, 100%, when the preorders get announced.

I wouldn't be shocked if there's something put out like the WarCry "cardpacks" for Compendium profiles so people can opt out of that book.

Chopstick wrote:
2 damage artilery, look like they have catapult throwing rocks instead of basilisk earthshaker round.

That has barrage(which we don't know what that does in Kill Team) and a Blast of Circle(so 2").

Worth mentioning that nothing says the "Veteran Guardsman" setup is limited to Krieg alone.

Krieg just seemed to be designed with it in mind.

Also worth mentioning, there's been some talk of Tankbustas and Grenadiers being the "general Kill Team release" in 2022 for both. They did something similar with AdMech & GSC, using the Kill Team branding to release the Manipulus and Kelermorphs bundled with an already released item.

Deathwatch are their own faction.
Weird, never mind! They're not listed? I could have sworn they were.