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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Rats. Rats with automatic weapons.

Also sounds like next week is the ratling gun

Next week isn't just the ratling gun, next week is the reveal show for the full box

Well they just threw everything at us haha

The Skaven side feels kinds small compared to SC. Would have thought we get at least one more unit

Lord-Vigilant on Gryph-stalker


Lord-Veritant


Lord-Terminos


Knight-Questor

Clawlord on Gnaw-beast


Grey Seer
+

Rat Ogors


Ratling Warpblaster

OH MY GOD THE LITTLE RATS ON THE RANGE MARKER (also the terrain)


And the full boxset

 Tim the Biovore wrote:


They wouldn't have said small if they meant repetitive, the photos until now just weren't illustrating that there are 40 Clanrats

Correct, when I said small the photos just showed 20 but now that we know its 40 the box looks way better

40k Leviathan had 25+47 models compared to Skavetides 24+50.

It feels like Leviathan had a little more since they have more bigger models with the Dreadnought and the Tyranid beasts but we have the terrain so seems about the same

Man these are looking so good. And even thought we are looking at 40 of them they aren't repetitiv at all. As far as I can see its 2x 20 as you can see with the leader in the bottom left and the center rat at the top with the bright red loincloth which both have the same legs but its not that easy to spot the same bodies so very nice



Also this this little guy who really didn't want to be part of all this and is getting the feth out of here haha.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Also…dare I say the range removal now has a bit more context to things? Much needed context I stress.

Not really? Any Skaven models and 1st edition Stormcast that got removed already where expected for new models. The big outcry was for the other factions and the 2nd edition Stormcast

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Apologies if this is a stupid question as I haven't followed closely: but are Plague Monks expected to get a new kit with 4.0?

This was the list posted by the leaker who leaked some starter set model pictures back in March:

 Shadow Walker wrote:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
That's cute. They should really do more of these "in universe" style of videos.

Agreed. More free episodes like that would be great to see.

They did post this comment under the video which is interesting:

New rats leak

lost_lilliputian wrote:That Skaven Brood Terror looks huge and bulky. At least twice as tall as a Rat Ogre? Would it compare height wise to a mancrusher gargant? Not sure what size base it's on.

The height can be seen in this leaked image here. Looks slightly below double the size of the new rat ogres to me.

Matrindur wrote:

Spoiler:

New rats leak

Yeah as you can see with this one not only is the Warclans keyword gone and they only have Kruleboyz now, at the top it also says Kruleboyz Warscroll instead of Orruk Warclans. So at least for the index they are very likely split

So looking at the sprues in the order of the images it seems like the Lord-Terminos, Reclusians and the Knight-Questor are on a combined sprue so the Reclusians will very likely get a solo release with the other characters locked to this special sprue in the same way the combined Kruleboyz/Stormcast sprues from Dominion got turned into those expensive webstore only sprues.

The Lord-Veritant, the Grey Seer and the Warlock Engineer are on a detachable sprue so likely as expected part of the starter sets. Which makes it pretty likely the two Spearheads buildable from the contents will just be the highest tier starter set

Everything else looks separate so ready for a solo release and likely extra multipart releases for any of them.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Sounds the same as the Annhilators. Got their own box along with the three originals attached to Yndrasta. I wish they hadn't done that again this time.

At least its only the Stormcast this time, Skaven don't seem to have a combined sprue.
Also since the Reclusians should be getting a multipart kits the only real locked models are the Lord-Terminos and the Knight-Questor and the Questor is just a new sculpt so only really one character actually locked without realistic chances of being available outside of a expensive bundle

Dudeface wrote:


You do realise these will be mostly monopose without options or many interchangeable components? At best it'll be 1-2 parts different on each torso and after 40 you get duplicates.

Pretty much that, of the 20 rats per sprue, 14 of them are completely monopose with the other 6 having either a normal rat build or a command model build (two different leaders, two musicians and two banner bearers)
But what is very nice at least is that there are different heads for the leader for Clan Verminus, Eshin, Pestilens and Skyre.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Eh, I maintain that 20 unique, dynamic, monopose sculpts is more variety than the ol' 4 legs, 4 torsos and 4 of each arm, where most joints allow for maybe 30 degrees of rotation before the model starts looking like it's been through a bad car crash, and they mostly all look like they're pooping standing up and are a bit angry about it.

Another good point is that the new and old clanrats really don't look vastly different when painted the same. Yes the new ones are better but not so much better you can't mix them with the old ones to get some more variation.
Here's an example of two old ones on the left and two new ones on the right:

 Overread wrote:
Yeah stock of Leviathan is still kicking around. These starter sets are produced in insane quantities.

Myself I'll likely be hunting for the rulebook in 2 weeks when everything starts arriving for people and the stocks go up and everyone is selling off the excess parts that they don't need.

I'm going to be very very good and not buy into a new Skaven army after selling them on at the start of the year (If I keep saying that I might manage to make it true!!!)

Everything I'm saying here is purely speculation based on rumours so could be totally different but with that, there was a rumour that GW made about 200.000 Leviathan copies and 120.000 for Dominion copies.
The webstore preorder gifts GW gave out for them numbered 50.000 and 30.000 respectively.

We know that there are 23237 Token sets available as preorder gifts this time which, if its the same ratio as the last two boxes, would mean they made about 90.000 copies of Skaventide.
Of course the ratio could have changed or the numbers of produced copies for the last two could just be wrong but if the old numbers are correct 90.000 seems realistic since they made way too many Dominion copies but AoS also grew since three years ago so 3/4 of Dominion and 1/2 of 40k numbers seems about fine.

But that also means that you shouldn't expect necessarily expect Skaventide to be available for the same timespan as Dominion or Leviathan. Of course not double as fast as Leviathan just because its half the numbers as 40k is also bigger but I also wouldn't bet on it lasting as long or longer than Leviathan. Especially since Skaventide seems quite a bit more popular than Dominion as far as I can see while being assumed to have less copies if the above numbers are true

 Dysartes wrote:
..how do we know the number of token sets, Matrindur?

Its written on the GW page for Skaventide at the bottom of the description:

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
At the rate AoS has been selling, I'd guess its popularity is closer to The Old World than it is to 40k.

Now that we have The Old World we can acknowledge again that AoS is trash and go back to the beloved old setting.

Next step: the setting gets squatted a second time as GW's accountants panic over dropping AoS sales.

Good thing that beloved old setting sold so well and didn't end up getting cancelled. Oh wait..

And how they brought it back and it sold amazingly. Oh wait..

Of course thats strongly GWs fault by only releasing a total of two new plastic kits and only having three of the nine main factions available half a year after launch.
I'm sure the game itself isn't bad but from a model standpoint there isn't much reason to go with GW stuff and that's where the sales come from.

And just judging by how all four stores near me and three other stores in neighboring countries that I order from sometimes had to put most of the TOW stuff in the sales category with additional discounts to sell anything it really doesn't want to move.
Of course just a small sample size but still not a great look.

Short version why Bonesplitters are gone in the lore:

Skaven magic give Shamans headaches.

Shamans send some Bonesplitters to crump Incarnates to calm the realm magic and some to crump Skaven.

Headaches do get better but Bonesplitters like hitting Skaven and Incarnates so they want to stay there and not return until every last Skaven is crumped and we all know how infinite the Skaven are.

So might return in the future if they get bored of just hitting those two but I wouldn't bet on it

deano2099 wrote:
What do people think the release plan for Spearhead is going to be then?

The Fire and Jade "battlepack" contains rules for games played in two of the Mortal Realms, which suggests three more "battlepacks" at some point, presumably with a double-sided board, some appropriate terrain and then... rules for alternate Spearhead armies? But with 25 armies in the Fire and Jade set, I can't see the others having the same amount.

Maybe they'll stretch them out over the course of the edition so one every 9 months or so and have armies incorporating new units that have come out since then?

Or maybe we'll just get some big Spearhead boxsets with two new forces in each along with the new battlepack stuff, more akin to Warcry?

The Fire and Jade gaming pack doen't include the Fire&Jade book and as such doesn't have any army rules in it. Those are all in the downloadable faction packs. So no need to create more Spearheads just to release more gaming packs. Though I hope they do release alternate Spearheads in the future, so every faction has at least 2.

The only new thing in other realms gaming packs apart from a reskinned gameboard and maybe terrain would be the twist deck as that would be specific to the realm. Maybe new battle tactics but that is questionable.

So if they just ignore that the printed design of the gameboard doesn't fit other realms they could also just sell the 6-card twist decks for other realms on their own as nothing else would change much compared to the current Fire&Jade pack

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Have a picture, definitely looks like proper multi-parts to me. Also a possible rat ogor multi on the left too

Very likely just a conversion.

Here's a closer look at that guy:


And his body and specifically the lower body decorations look like an exact match to the Reclusian Prime:

The next week in Warhammer video from yesterdays article has a little teaser for the reveal show next Saturday:
The first one is obviously just the already revealed Knight-Azyros so no teaser for Stormcast but as its unlikely they will win and be shown off this Saturday thats not surprising.
The second one though is a new Skaven character we haven't seen before

 stahly wrote:

Chikout wrote:

MongooseMatt wrote:
Didn't see this mentioned, but the Skaventide novel may give some pointers for new Skaven models: 'Ratwings' (big flying rats that Prosecutors some hassle), a return of slaves (but seem to be sewn together/mutated wretches), and Eshin-style rats that can hide in really small shadows and have long chained whips.

Unfortunately it seems that GW just gave the writer a bit of creative freedom. What's coming is actually pretty well known.
There will be a new verminlord called Vizzik Skour, the new hero from the silhouette who is called Krittock Foulblade, new stormvermin, new weapon teams, a new arch warlock as well as the leaked warlock, new globadiers/Skryre acolytes, new wolf rats and the monster we've already seen. Nothing for Eshin or Pestilens it seems though they may get something via Warcry. Included the Skaventide stuff that's 16 new kits this edition which feels like a pretty sizeable refresh.

Most of this was leaked a couple of months ago by the same person who leaked blurry photos of the minis from Skaventide so it's likely to be true.

Do you have a link to this?

This list should have everything that is still expected:

WarCom updated with images for

Weapons Teams:


and Stormvermin:



The weapon team can all be build with the same weapon so likely no forced mixed units (but still might be possible if you want to)

Also compared to the list of rumours we had before the show:

1) Master Moulder.
2) Arch Warlock.
3) New Warlock (Galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators) (Leaked one).
4) Stormvermin.
5) Weaponteams.
6) Acolyte globadiers
7) New Verminlord (Vizzik Skour).
8 ) Wolfrats.
9) Clawlord on palanquin carried by rat ogors.

Its interesting how nearly everything was perfectly correct (even the name Vizzik Skour) but the the Clawlord on palanquin was wrong and it was Krittok Foulblade instead and no Wolfrats.
I guess the palanquin thing could be explained if there is art in the battletome of Krittok Foulblade on one that they tought would also represent the model but was just artwork after all and the Wolfrats could be somebody only seeing that single model without the rest of the weapon team but still kinda strange.
Maybe things that were modelled but didn't work out, maybe coming at a later point (end of edition campaign, warcry?)

Chikout wrote:


The palanquin is from the novel and doesn't come from the two original leakers. The list I shared earlier is accurate including the name Krittock Foulblade. The only exception is the wolf rats. It's weird to have one thing stand out from anotherwise accurate list.

Yeah seems like I grabbed the wrong list

 Marshal Loss wrote:
Stunning release across the board, but really disappointed at the complete lack of Pestilens representation (which is how I would have wanted to build a Skaven army).

While this is true I'd say Eshin needs something way more. Yes Plague Monks could really use a new kit but Eshin only have three kits right now of which two are heroes and the other unit is more monkey than rat

Dudeface wrote:As someone who always wanted a slaven army but was put off by the old sculpts... I still am a little. This is all a little character heavy and it feels like half the army has been left out on the cold. Has any of the eshin/pestilens stuff been removed completely for the book?

Some stuff has been removed for the Index already as other said (though the Plague Priest on foot might be coming back in the form of Skabbiks Plague Pack if the little WarCom teaser is true) but we shouldn't be losing anything from the index to the battletome. There are only really two kits left that need a refresh anyway which is the Eshin Night Runners and the Pestilens Plague Monks. The actual problem is that Eshin only has 3 units in the Index (and so likely in the Battletome) with the Night Runners, the Deathmaster and the Verminlord Deceiver which isn't alot. Pestilens isn't as bad with 5 kits if its true that Skabbik returns as a Plague Priest.

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:The gaps on the cloth of Foulblade are visually jarring but it appears to be some sort of design choice as they are all over Vizzik Skour's cloth too. It is just they are executed a lot better on the larger model. Were there any similar looking cloth areas on the Skaventide miniatures?

Yes the Rat Ogors have the same groves in their cloth. Its simply supposed to look like shoddily sewn together fabric. On Krittok's backside it also doesn't look that bad its just on the sides on the helpers were it doesn't really work.

lord_blackfang wrote:The modularity on the weapon teams is fantastic.

Not sure the Stormvermin add anything over the old sculpts... in fact they take away the drilled, highly trained, regimented aspect that defined them.

Regarding the "disappearance" of Wolfrats, I have no info of course but my pet theory is that if they existed, they were scrapped after it was decided Skaven are getting a free full move in the enemy turn as a faction ability, and having a large fast unit with that turned out to be too strong. Idk just a thought. But the moment I read that I thought "this will be completely insane if they get cavalry"

There is 0% chance any models gets scrapped because of rules. GW is always models first rules second.
Its way more likely somebody either meant the Gnawbeast the Clawlord is riding or simply saw the Wolfrats in the weapon teams without the rest and assumed they are getting a full unit