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So LI has been growing its range pretty rapidly. Whilst there’s still stuff we want for the existing armies? They’re by no means the only forces in play during the Heresy.

For instance? You’ve Militias and Chaos Cults, Emperor and other potential new, never before seen Titan classes. Not to mention still some Marine Toys yet to see the light of day.

And this thread is the thread in wot to discuss such things.

Me? I think Militia could be pretty fun. Whilst a wide net, I envisage them as a more static force. Artillery emplacements rather than self propelled. A variety of troops which might specialise in particular things (for instance, a Militia of Hive Gangs getting perks when holding buildings, representing their dirty fighting and that). And of course, a chance for the sculptors to bless us with entirely new vehicles of varying scale, representing stuff which whilst perfectly cromulent, don’t fit the fighting style of Legions or Solar Auxilia. That prospect excites me the most, as Epic has long been the scale of New Things, as it’s super cheap to sculpt for compared to 28mm. Sure, the moulds aren’t necessarily cheaper. But for tanks? Design one, then copy/pasta to fill out a box means that side at least is cost effective. And thanks to predominantly CAD based sculpting? Easy enough to give us some level of mix and match options.

Right, I’m off to post a link here in the N&R thread.

Honestly I hope they might advance the timeline a bit and give the Chaos side some actual unique models and demons and such. Basically let the game move past "mirror matches".

That, IMO, is hte biggest problem right now. The only non-starter-set faction in the game is Mechanicum right now. The other two factions are right in the starter set (technically 3 if you consider titans their own faction). And as they can act as allies on the same side - its basically a mirror-match situation right now.

I'd love to see that broken with a LOT more diverse factions. Even if we never get the likes of Eldar and Orks (the only two named major Xenos races that can potentially appear); at the very least let the game grow past mirroring each other on both sides.


And yes more titans; more knights; more tanks; more super-mega fliers and huge superweapon tanks and such. That was always one of the big things for old Epic and Titan Legions games. Things that just never appeared in 40K. I'd hate if LI limits itself purely to just models that appear in 30K and doesn't use its scale advantage to just do wild creative stuff that would never (or cost a fortune) appear in regular 30K.

Solar Auxiliary definitely need some fleshing out.

I’m thinking classics like the Imperial Leviathan and even Capitol Imperialis (though I think the latter need some modernisation).

I absolutely agree we need some Gribble coming into Traitors. How much? Honestly somewhat split on. Possessed units mostly for Word Bearers certainly, as they are noted for willingly mucking about with such things. But if memory serves? Even by the siege of Terra visible chaos corruption was still fairly modest.

Daemons are a must though. 100%. Even non-god specific ones for an extra bit of cool.

Custards and the other Talons units would then serve as the counter point. Stuff Traitors have no access to.

Even if these add-ons are done more as small, more restricted, intended to be allies forces? They bring overall variety to the game, and as you said, distinction between the involved parties.

Militia could be in something of the same vein. Cheap, but limited and largely inflexible things. Albeit ideally with sufficient internal options as to be a fully fledged army in its own right.

If its artillery is static? Then that’s where it clearly differentiates from playing against Solar Auxilia, as so much depends on a player’s skill to read the board at deployment. And for the opponent, the skill comes into spotting the blindspots or poorly covered sections and fully exploiting any deployment goofs.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I hope they might advance the timeline a bit and give the Chaos side some actual unique models and demons and such. Basically let the game move past "mirror matches".

I agree. Since this is the thread for hopes and dreams rather than the solid fact-based foundation of the rumours thread, I hope that LI will take the obvious step into the Scouring in synchrony with the books as they come out. So far, the Scouring consists of a single book that is still just about Space Marine fratricide, but there is at least the hope that orks and eldar might show up. Historically, the Epic series of games had much more experimentation regarding new units, presumably because it was a cheaper scale in which to experiment. I'm not sure whether that is still the case, but I certainly would still like to see LI have more weird stuff that isn't in HH.

Obviously, I think we will see Skitarii at some point, since they just got HH models. Maybe Custodes as well. This could actually fit well in a "Siege of Terra"-book, which would of course also bring daemons.

Epic is definitely the scale which made 40K. And there are video interviews with those who made both games confirming that.

In the modern day? OK a plastic mould has a baseline cost that’s mostly unavoidable. But, you need to balance that with tank sets being “design the one, copy/paste enough to fill a sprue”, and the individual sprues being by comparison, “half sprues”. So when it comes to production, you can make more kits at a time with fewer overall moulds, which all factors into overall cost efficiency. And I can only imagine (sale volumes not withstanding) it being pretty favourable.

I’d love for the base system to be expanded by background historicals.

Sure, it could lead to non-canonical conflicts (Legion vs Imperial Guard or Tau or Necrons) but frankly? I don’t care that much.

We may see a 40K Epic Scale in the end. Certainly LI appears to enjoy GW’s confidence. And ok, the scale of 40K is drastically different to when Epic first started out. But it still can’t provide the scale and spectacle with anything like the ease Epic does.

BTW the GW Sets have ID Numbers on their Backsides, maybe we can find holes in the Line?

Based on the Sets I have (with holes) the following IDs:

03-00 - LI Rulebook*
03-01 - LI Starter Set
03-04 - LA Predator Tanks
03-05 - LA Kratos Tanks
03-06 - LA Infantry
03-07 - LA Support
03-08 - LA Drop Pods
03-09 - LA Dreadnought Drop Pods
03-10 - LA Rhino APCs
03-13 - SA Baneblade Tanks
03-15 - SA Support
03-22 - Reaver Titan w. PF & GB
03-23 - Reaver Titan w. MC & CF
03-28 - Questoris Knights
03-38 - LA Xiphon Fighters
03-40 - LA Thunderhawk
03-46 - Civitas Imperalis Ruins
03-47 - The Great Slaughter BOOK
03-50 - LA Fast Attack
03-56 - LA Spartan Tanks
03-57 - SA Malcador Infernus & Valdor Tanks
03-65 - LA Sabre Tanks
03-71 - The Devastation of Tallarn BOOK
03-73 - THe Rise of the Dark mechanicum BOOK
03-78 - Mechanicum Infantry

*Rulebook has no ID.

RazorEdge wrote:
BTW the GW Sets have ID Numbers on their Backsides, maybe we can find holes in the Line?

Based on the Sets I have (with holes) the following IDs:

I found this article which summarises the IDs included on LI/AT plastic sprues: https://adeptus-titanicus.fandom.com/wiki/Sprue
In the past gaps in these sequences has predicted new kits.

There are several gaps in the astartes range that could indicate withheld units that were designed alongside similar kits. For example after the Sicaran Arcus there's a gap which could be a Sicaran Venator.

https://youtu.be/RtRaXiVyZaE?si=42KzdvHYqcd0Bs8E&t=1101

This lore video mentions a Punisher Class Titan, a tripodial titan with "Underslung Plasma Annihilators and twin Teslanic Accelerators"

I think when they are mentioning specific loadouts for a titan thats never appeared much that feels like a clue.

Most of the resin titan weapons are gone off the webstore or marked sold out.

A second Mechanicum release to fill out their combined arms shortcominigs would be nice.

Considering the 3D print market and that the rules are still in the current books, you'd think if GW were scaling back resin and replacing with plastic, that they'd have got a big "titan weapons" kit out in plastic to replace those that were lost.

While they'll probably do them eventually, weapon sprues like this are quite hard to sell in sufficient numbers to make a plastic kit profitable. Plus there's going to be a bunch of people that already own the resin version and don't need to buy it again.
This is why the last Warhound weapon sprue was bundled into the LI starter box; it gave GW a baseline level of sales the new kit otherwise wouldn't have come close to getting separately.

I'd expect any other titan weapon sprues to initially be released via some kind of updated AT/LI starter set, or a titan battlegroup box. That's gonna depend on when GW want to fit a £120+ product into the release schedule around other stuff.

In terms of Titans and long term, maybe 40K Epic once again?

They need to ensure Xenos Titans get a fair shake.

Traditionally they’ve been no slouch. Gargants of course are noted for sheer persistence, with often erratic firepower. Eldar for being on the move, and relying on precision over brute force.

But they still lacked weapon options. And the Eldar ones not only lacked options, but hard points for said options. Which meant whilst perfectly capable of delivering the final blow? Couldn’t really do that and strip shields.

Granted, this all gave them their own flavour, and ensured different armies worked in different ways. But they still need more weapon options.

With the "permanent" Army Sets for the three Core Factions, a can see such Sets for Knight Households and the Legio Titanica.

HidaO-Win wrote:
https://youtu.be/RtRaXiVyZaE?si=42KzdvHYqcd0Bs8E&t=1101

This lore video mentions a Punisher Class Titan, a tripodial titan with "Underslung Plasma Annihilators and twin Teslanic Accelerators"

I think when they are mentioning specific loadouts for a titan thats never appeared much that feels like a clue.

Most of the resin titan weapons are gone off the webstore or marked sold out.

A second Mechanicum release to fill out their combined arms shortcominigs would be nice.

Didn't the crop up in The War Of The Beast series too?

Are there any siege scenarios in any of the expansions. I know we have a fortification, building category in the rule book but I would love to play some line breaker scenarios. I imagine some fortification terrain would go down well. I have been scratch building my own but would love to see what GW come up with.
I would also love to see the imperial army and (as others have mentioned) Demons.