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Played in an RTT today and ran into a Deathguard player.  On turn 3, I had a Space Marine termie squad within 6' of a plague bearer squad and a rhino with "plague carrier" and a squad of Nurgle marked CSM's.  At the end of his shooting phase, he made 3 seperate Nurgle's Rot rolls on my termie squad because he had 3 different units with Nurgles rot in range of my squad. Is this correct, OR should he have made only one Nurgles rot roll?

Thanks in advance,

Darrian

It's once per potentially affected model, no matter how many Rot models are around.

where does it say its once per potentially affected model?/ It does not say that. The faq make no mention of it either.

"At the end of the Chaos shooting phase, any model that is within 6" of at least one model with Nurgle's Rot may be affected by the miasma of disease and pestilence exuding from them" (Chaos 51).

"at least one model." That wording is sufficient to prove that you can only be affected once.

The funny thing is that the manager of the Battle Bunker ruled that each mark in range caused a Nurgle's Rot roll.

So I asked him why a unit of plaquebearers only caused one roll for the whole unit if each plaguebearer had nurgles rot, shouldn't a 7 man squad of plaguebearers cause 7 seperate rolls for each enemy model in 6"? He was completely confused by that one.

Luckily, I managed to shoot his army, and all of their "super" marks of Nurgle, off the table by the end of the game.

Darrian

6" of at least one model,, how does that read sufficient enough to prove that you can only be affected once?/ that just states the distance involved not how many trimes you are affected. it just states you have to be within 6"

Posted By beef on 09/18/2006 2:38 AM
6" of at least one model,, how does that read sufficient enough to prove that you can only be affected once?/ that just states the distance involved not how many trimes you are affected. it just states you have to be within 6"

How the hell else would you play it?

It says to check if a model is within 6" of at least one model with Nurgle's Rot and if the model is, it rolls a single D6 to see if it takes a wound.

There is simply no alternative.

Wow... very bad call on the part of the Battle Bunker.

Nurgles Rot is not culmalitive, otherwise Plaguebears would be overpowered as each one has it.

Just because one runs a GW gaming location, it doesn't mean they understand the rules; in fact, it's likely that they'll understand less than the average gamer or LFGS owner.

That inverse relationship between running a GW store and knowing the rules is both so sad and so true. The difficult thing is convincing the loyal GW store players that their "guru" is wrong.

I guess I am going to be using lots of plaguebearers in my army when I play there from now on.

Darrian

You can only be affected once by each unit. if a unit of plagubarers all have nurgles rot then you only once for that squad, so if the were in range of a marine squad with 6 guys you would roll 6d6 and any 6,s would meen an armour save for the marine. Now if there was also a squad of plafge marines in range you would do the same. unfortunatly just by saying "How the hell else would you play it?" and "There is simply no alternative." does not prove a point. This is obviously an alternative.

beef, yar distinction between model-level 'n unit-level rot has no basis in the RAW.

Either yer in range of multiple rots, or yer not. And if ye' be, the "within 6" of at least one model" line sends yer point straight to old hob.

When it comes down t' resolvin' the effect, ye' simply ask yourself," is this model within 6" of at least one model with rot?" If yer answer be yes then the effect happens, if not it doesn't. Thar' be no text that allows multiple rots to stack. Its as simple as this, either ye' be on yer way to Davey Jones locker, or yer not. Ye can't make that voyage but once, and thar' is no in between.

 

- Edited t' reflect the date, ye' sorry scabs!

blue loki have you been watching the pirates vs ninjas video?

I agree with Darrian and Yakface, that interpretation of the rules is incorrect. the wording, "of at least one squad with nurgles rot" is pretty dang clear to me. If it was intended to be multiple units, it would have been worded "if at least one model of a unit is withing 6" of any unit with nurgle's rot, roll a d6..."

otherwise, can you imagine how rediculous that would get? you could conceiavably force 6 or more rolls per model of a unit for nurgle's rot, that would be just dumb against any low armor save army like gaunts, Orcs or IG. If you had 6 units with the mark of nurgle within ONE model of a unit (that is ieasy to do on a big unit) that would be:

6/6 to roll one 6 on each model. that equals one wound on average per model

in a 30 strong unit of gaunts or orcs: 1/6 of 30 = 5 surviving models. that is a joke.

10 strong MEQ unit: 2/3 of 10 is an average of 4 dead marines

10 strong gaurd: 1/3 of 10 gives you 7 dead gaurdsmen.

and that is independent of any shotting or assaulting, that is very very obviosuly over powered. And, that bubble can influence a huge area of the table, there is no way that that is what was intended with Nurgle's Rot, and RAW does not supprt it either.

Darrian - Just because you have found a way to take advantage of the rules now it is clearly not cool at all to do so.

@Green Bloater, This one time I will feed the troll.

The point of exploiting a mis-interpreted rule is to show the consequence of a mstake like the GW manager made. If I make an army that so completely abuses the interpretation, maybe the manager will see the error of his ways and no longer let the guys at his store have "super" Nurgles rot.

I am thinking of at least 4 x7 man plague bearers squads and maybe 5 squads of CSM's and a DP. The marked rhino's might be cool too.

Darrian

Posted By foil7102 on 09/19/2006 6:43 AM
blue loki have you been watching the pirates vs ninjas video?

Yar, matey!

It be the 19th day of Septembarrrrr!

And here on the sinister side o' the pond, that makes it talk like a pirate day!

Erm Reecius where have you got your crazy stats from?/ 4 marines dead out of a sqaud of 10 if 6 units are around them with murgles rot?? thats makes no sence, you do get there armour save you relise. every time i have doene it with max 3 squads i have killed 1 marine if i am lucky. grots would be eaiser. but still your stats are a bit unrelistice

Darrian - you can say whatever you want to justify what you are planning to do but we all know what it really is.

Beef: The clincher is the includion of the words 'at least' in the rule.

If you're within range of at least on Rotted model, you test. It doesn't say to test for EACH Rotted model or unit. It makes no difference how many Rotted models there are. You simply test if there is at least one of them.

If I say, "If you have at least a dollar, you can buy one pie" that doesn't automatically mean that you get 2 pies if you have more than a dollar. It simply means that a dollar is enough for you to buy a pie.

Same thing here. If there is at least one model with Nurgle's Rot, you test. You don't test for more than one Rotted model... one is simply the minimum number of models required for the test to be taken.

10 marines.
if 6 rot rolls.
10 wounds (1/6 * 6 * 10)
10 * 1/3 = 3 1/3
So 3-4 dead marines. On average.

So his math is right if you round up.

Hey Frenrik/sergio, maybe you should play your Deathguard this Saturday when we face Yakface and Blackmoor in the team game. Then try this "super" nurgles rot trick on them. I am sure that Yakface will just love that.

Darrian

Actually yeah if you round up it would be around 3 models dead. my bad. If i havew $2 why cant i buy 2 pies?? Dont worry about it. We all have our own takes on the rules. the day i go to aGT and get told i cant do that will be just one day i wont do that, otherwise i will keep doing it.

"If i havew $2 why cant i buy 2 pies??"

Because I didn't say you could buy two pies. For that, I would have to have said "If you have at least a dollar, you can buy one pie per dollar'

I didn't. At least a dollar buys you one pie. No more.


"We all have our own takes on the rules."

Sure. But yours, in this case, is wrong. The rules allow 'a' test if there is at least one model with Rot. NOTHING in that allows more than one test. If there is at least one Rotted model, you take a test. It's that simple.

@Insaniak: Agreed. It is pretty dang simple and clearly worded.

Yes, let us simply imagine what a min maxed mark of nurgle army could do. You wouldn't even need any guns, just deep strike as many plague bearers as possible and watch your opponants entire army dissapear, because that would make for a really fun, and challenging game!

It would kill your army too though Darrian.

BTW, glad I don't live near you Beef, so we'll never have to play a game against each other.

beef, now that you have been corrected about what the rule says, you reall should have the decency to follow it. To knowingly continue to break a rule is unfair to your opponants.

See what Insaniak did was use a little LSAT action on you. The rules state that if you have one dollar you can buy one pie.
what you assumed was that you could buy two pies if you have two dollars, this is incorrect use of logic. You've broken the rules if you buy more than one pie with more than one dollar.

The rules simply say you can only buy one pie with one dollar. Lets try this out in the real game:

If you have 5 points you can buy meltabombs for a model
Just because you have 10 points DOES NOT mean you can buy 2 meltabombs for a model.

Very simple.

Now here we go with this argument if you have a nurgle rot whatever within 6" you cause a wound to units.
The argument does not stand that if you have two models withint 6" you don't necessarily get two wounds. Assuming such is a flaw in logic.

Things that do stack are clearly noted, and AFAIK that would things like Castellan minefields.

i like the insaniak explains things. He makes it simple without getting offensive.