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Heyo.

Since the new Wraithlord kit lends itself to quite a few building options, I wondered if anyone has taken the new codex and tried to Theoryhammer out some of the better combinations, ala Tactica: Carnifex. I've been given a couple to build for some commissions, and I've been told to "Just build it so it'll be good", so I'm kinda curious what people think.

Currently, I'm leaning towards TL'd flamers, a Bright Lance, and a Wraithsword, but a Shuricats/Scatter Laser build doesn't seem bad, either.

Always flamers. Always. Shuricats are kinda pointless when you can utilize the awesomeness of flamers.

Either a scatter laser or brightlance. If you want to get sneaky, you can model the lord with the handgun mount for the weapon and fiddle with the sword so that it is underslung in either a bayonet fashion or perhaps an ax type of arrangement.

This way it doesnt have to rep the weapon if they choose not to use it, and it lets you use the super snazi pistol grip for the gun. the blade for the bayonet, the hilt for the stock of the gun, as in the GW online article. It shouldnt be hard to do either.



Doncha love clients who just want the best thing but give you no idea what "best" is? Ahhh I dont miss those days.

When you take 2 of the same weapon they count as twin-linked, so you want to take 2 weapons that fill the same roll.

For example:
Brightlance/Eldar Missile Launcher
Scatter Laser/Shuriken Cannon

Flamers are great, but I would only take the wraithsword for modeling purposes. Not many things what to tangle with a wraithlord, and since they only move 6" and they only get 2 attacks, it seems like it would not be worth te points.

The closest thing I can compare the Wraithlord to is a Loyalist Dread. Here are what I think are going to be the most common builds:

Old-Fashioned Wriathlord:
-Brightlance, Wraithsword
(Essentially this give the Eldar player a way to kill tanks at long range whilst not worring about getting close to the enemy lines)

Tank Hunter Wriathlord:
-Brightlance, Eldar missle Launcher
(the Eldar's closest thing to a Gun Fex, the EML has some versatility but generally you want him hitting tanks)

All Rounder Wraithlord:
- Scatter Lazer, Wraithsword
(Essentially good at hordes or light tanks at range, better against MEQ's and Heay tanks in Close Combat)

Fire Support Wriathlord:
-Scatter Lazer, S. Cannon
(The greatest shot output you can do, great against hordes and light tanks)

MEQ Killer Wraithlord:
-Scatter Lazer, Star Cannon
(This is the best way for the Wraithlord to kill MEQ out at range)

Essentially though, I would almost always tank the Wraithsword, because it compensate for the Wriathlord losing an Attack, and the load out really depends on your list and whether or not you are playing cityfight.

Mahu raised a good point, but didn't emphasize it: the sword is worthwhile to help the wraithlord kill tanks in HtH.

He's a str10 monstrous creature (2d6 penetration) so he's going to kill stuff that he hits pretty reliably. By letting him reroll his 3 (on the charge) attacks, that gives him a good chance of taking down vehicles that moved up to 6" the previous turn. The wraithsword also magnifies his ability to hit skimmers in HtH.

And it's cheap--one of the two cheapest upgrades available. Worthwhile if you were only planning on mounting one gun anyway.

I really like the 7 shot one on paper so far.

The more expensive guys just seem to make it worthwhile to shoot them to death. I'd rather have one of the many better antitank options Eldar have I think.

When you can score like 170 pts for a wraithlord he gets crunchy but at a flat cheap 120, it's like a dakkafex - killing 3 T8 wounds for 120pts just stings.

I'm building mine with a Scatter Laser and Star Cannon. That's 6 str shots at 36" and the Starcannon can kill most infantry.

The Sword is cool, but with the loss of an attack (no off hand DCCW anymore) two attacks with reroll is basicly the same as the old Lord. It does excell at attacking skimmers though. The Swordlord should have a good chance aginst a Monolith.

I agree with NinjaRay. However, the point cost for this build, along with the wraithsight babysitter would be too much of a point sink to justify the 6 shots.

Are the weapons not suitable for magnet-mounting? To get back to BZArcher's original question, I'd have thought your customer would be better off with a carefully posed model which can easily swap magnetised weapons _and_ still look good.

As cool as a Bright lance is, I think it's subpar to a Las Cannon in most ways and It's not twin linked, so I find it compares badly to a SM dread's Twin Las. The Eldar Missile Lancher is interesting, has better range then a Bright Lance and is 15 points cheaper.

When Designing a "load out" I look for what's cheap or what's Unique but Effective. The Sword is very Unique, but does it really help a WLord out? For a Sword lord build, you can get twin flamers, Missile Lancher and Sword for 125. I just can't get past the base attack of 2. That really limits what a Sword lord is capable off. The Sword Lord is pretty awesome at attacking Vehicles though.

Why not use a farseer to crack open the vehicle - since it's going to be babysitting the WL anyways. That's the tough thing with the WL; there's the necessity to keep it from going 'duh' on that critical turn.

I would not say neccessity....

Personally I will accept that 1 turn a game the lord will not be doing much but I can live with that...

I am liking the lance/missile lord myself, most eldar lists want more antitank and this seems a nice solution. Stick it in cover and your good to go poping tanks and holding objectives... (thanks largely due to the 2 flamers)

I also like the scatter/cannon combo but you can do that elsewhere better....vypers being the obvios choice and warwalkers being another... (though I would go double cannon for them myself)

Falcon can be the ap2 machine in the army, so I will stay away from the starcannon elsewhere.

Interestingly enough the tyranid gunfex and the lance/missile lord both cost almost the same amount and survive just as many lascannon shots before going down... though cover ofcourse gives the fex an edge as it has an extra wound.

To answer the magnet question:

I'm trying to decide that myself. The biggest problem is that the weapons and mounting points are all slots and tabs rather than posts and holes, so I'm trying to decide if I feel like cutting down and resculpting the arms and weapons to make things more magnet friendly, or if I should just make a fixed config.

The person who I'm doing this for officially doesn't care either way, as long as I don't wreck his brand new Wraithlord.

Somebody on another forum was able to make his Wraithlord fully interchangeable using Paper clip sized pins, and going on the "friction" principle. I have been able to do things similarly with the New Heavy Weapon Platform and Wave Serpent.

It seems to me that the same things that make the close combat carnifex so difficult to use will also be true against the wraithsword WL. Leaving escalation aside, the WL is slow and I can't see many people seeking close combat with a WL (unless they expect to win, such as genestealers), so I give someone long odds on making close combat with a WL.

That being said, any WL that arrives in close combat will probably do reasonably well, whether it has the sword (which looks wicked cool) or not.

If those are all true, then the standard loadouts are probably going to end up being BL/EML or shuricannon/scatterlaser.

However, this doesn't address the last point. In the tyranid army, the only solid HS entry is the carnifex. In the eldar army, there are at least two (and as many as 4, depending on your playstyle and existing models) good candidates for HS slots. Is it worth giving up a falcon/fire prism for a BL/EML WL? For some lists, the answer will be an immediate yes. For others, an immediate no. In either case, it will make for interesting lists.

The main reason I can think of for a Swordlord is to support infantry. However Mech eldar is much more viable for tournement play then foot slogging Eldar. A large squad or two of Dire Avengers could really use a Sword lord to help them out in Close combat and to provide a Heavy weapon (EML or BL seems the best to support Avengers). If there becomes a real reason to feild a Foot base Eldar army, I think Wraithlords in general become a lot more attractive.

I really want to use the Wraithlord, but I'm kidding my self it I don't concide that the Heavy Support tanks are better.

I've been thinking more and more about the BL/EML wraithlord as a component of a long-range standoff army. As a compliment to a fire prism (or two) it has the advantage that it can't be shaken, so as long as it doesn't go stupid it'll be putting out 2 str8 antitank shots every turn.

I also am thinking more and more about BL & EML lords. They are not much more expensive then the build I Like (Star cannon, Scatter Laser) and it's pretty hard core and still retains potent close combat abilities, unlike Dreadnaughts that take a Missile lancher.

Posted By Mahu on 11/07/2006 2:37 PM
Somebody on another forum was able to make his Wraithlord fully interchangeable using Paper clip sized pins, and going on the "friction" principle. I have been able to do things similarly with the New Heavy Weapon Platform and Wave Serpent.

I've been doing this for years, it works really well. Just drill a hole in the center of the shoulder mount and in the cent of the weapons in the set. Insert pin into weapon and presto! Asumming that you have a viper, support weapon platform etc. then you can twin link anything you want.

Will it be viable to have two Wraithlord in an army, or is it too much of a point sink? I'm considering one any tank blasting type and one cheap melee one (while I know the melee one is rather slow).

Sorry if this is too much offtopic.

Greets
Schepp himself

I think the difficult choice is do you want to give up a Falcon for the additional Wraithlord.

A tricky issue I've found is when Escalation hits, you need to hand a psycher back for a bit until the WL arrives so you won't have issues with Wraithsight. It's only on a roll of a one, but those are famous last words.

The Beauty of a Wraitlord v. Falcon is that it only takes one shot to stop a Falcon from shooting, thus neutralizing it that turn, wereas it takes at least three to stop a Wraitlord.

As to the original question, I would recommend Shuriken Cannon/ Scattler Laser. If your using a WL than you got some points to spend on real tank hunters like Dragons or Hawks.