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2006/11/10 06:19:19
Subject: Army power rankings
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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Now that 4th is well and truly out, and we have had several codex's out to look at, what would you say the current power rankings are? Uber power: Ultras (the drop pod build) Chaos (several nasty builds from this codex) Blood Angels (Tried and true cheese) Eldar 4th edition redux (is it still uber or not??) Power: Nids (toned down yes, but there are builds that can do some damage) Black Templars (new codex) Tau (str 5 basic weapons, whats not to like) SOB (whats not to like about chicks with big uhhhh guns...) Dark eldar (say what you will, these guys can be nasty) California brown outs: Orks (need that codex bad) IG (no manuverability in an addition that demands it) necrons (one build....) Deamon Hunters (it costs how much to do what???)
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2006/11/10 06:29:09
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Hurricane Camille coming to a theater near you: Blood Angels (Tried and true cheese) (free abilities vs. standard codex marines) Ultras (the drop pod build) Chaos (several nasty builds from this codex) Eldar 4th edition redux (is it still uber or not??) Tropical Storm goodness: necrons (one build....) (I’d put them in the power category. The properly mastered necron list can be fast and brutal) Nids (toned down yes, but there are builds that can do some damage) Black Templars (new codex) Mech Tau (str 5 basic weapons, whats not to like) Dark eldar (say what you will, these guys can be nasty) Feral Orks Armored company Summer Squall: Foot Tau Orks (need that codex bad) SOB (whats not to like about chicks with big uhhhh guns...) (I’d move the Nuns with Guns to a level just slightly better than IG-they areb tough but definitely beatable) IG (no maneuverability in an addition that demands it)
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2006/11/10 07:07:21
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Top level: Space Marines Blood Angels Dark Angels Slanesh Undivided Chaos
Upper level: Eldar Dark Eldar Tau Tyranids
Mid level Radical Daemonhunters Khorne SoB Guard Nurgle Necrons Space Wolves Black Templars
Low level Tzeentch Orks Puritan Daemonhunters
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2006/11/10 16:57:10
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Dakka Veteran
the spire of angels
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this is not a cut and dried answer powered how? firepower? resiliance? gunnerry? alot of what makes an army effective is how it is built and generaled for example- there are many builds for necrons, IG are not neccisary static they are just most often played that way, and the examples go on and on power wise the tau have the biggest guns in the game and the next highest tech after the eldar but they have IG level gunnery base, eldar are amazing in CC but they are only T3 base, marines are the mid level most versatile army-good gunnery, toughness and options decent close combat. but are not that overly specialised like some other armies that are designed to do one thing really well. so i find classifying them as the topic describes to be unrealistic at best.
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2006/11/10 17:41:56
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
South Pasadena
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This is how I would rank them in terms of the best tournament armies. I have not broken any of the armies down because it gets way too conjectural then.
Top level: (One of these armies will probably win the RTT) Space Marines Chaos Space Marines Tyranids
Upper level: (These armies could win and are the spoiler for the above armies, usually) Eldar Dark Eldar Tau
Mid level: (These are solid, but require a VERY good player to win with them) SoB Necrons
Low level: (Don't try to win an RTT with these guys unless you are a pro) Imperial Guard Orks Daemonhunters
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2006/11/10 19:24:46
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
Murfreesboro, TN
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Add to the low-level: Kroot Mercs.
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As a rule of thumb, the designers do not hide "easter eggs" in the rules. If clever reading is required to unlock some sort of hidden option, then it is most likely the result of wishful thinking.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake;
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
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2006/11/12 09:13:35
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wierd - Eldar just won Heat 2 to match their Heat 1 victory. Look a pretty good tournie army to me still!
I've not seen Tyranids win anything. Why does everyone rate them so much?
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Hodge-Podge says: Run with the Devil, Shout Satan's Might. Deathtongue! Deathtongue! The Beast arises tonight!
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2006/11/12 10:13:01
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
South Pasadena
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@Torgoch, Have you ever faced a Godzilla Nidz shooty army? The underpricing of the Dakkafex is the thing that drives me crazy. I have great luck beating Eldar but Godilla Nidz wins alot of RTT's around these parts. The only thing that can really hurt Nidz is "escallation." I think Nidz will be one of the match-ups that is very unfavorable for Eldar. Nidz kill skimmers easily and genestealers will be one of the few units that will not fear harlies. 4th ed mech Eldar vs Godzilla shooty Nidz will be one of my favorite matchups to see.
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2006/11/12 10:52:10
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I've played against pseudo-godzilla, and i play 6 MCs in my Tyranids sometimes. I know they are rated a power list, but not by me - I wouldn't fear facing it with Tau, Iron Warriors or Droppers. Can't make a call on Eldar, don't play 'em. The point I was trying to make is that while the 'zilla nids may have a rep, I haven't seen them do well anywhere. The above posters don't seem to rate Eldar, but Eldar have just won Heats 1 and 2, so something is amiss in their judgements.
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Hodge-Podge says: Run with the Devil, Shout Satan's Might. Deathtongue! Deathtongue! The Beast arises tonight!
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2006/11/12 14:24:51
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Krazed Killa Kan
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What's the Ultramarine based Pod Power Build? Most powerful Pod Lists I've ever seen were Traited Lists with Cleanse & Purify w/ either the BP+CCW trait or Heed the Wisdom of the Ancients to take Venerable Dreads in Heavy w/ Termies in Elites & HQ I'd say they're in this order: God Tier Chaos Space Marines ?? Eldar ?? - Don't know after the new dex but it looks promising Blood Angels Nids I'd say Chaos wins over Marines for pure brokenness. Top Tier Necrons Tau Feral Orks Dark Eldar Witch Hunters IG Kult of Speed Variant Marine Chapters (Space Wolves, Dark Angels, Templars) Low Tier Demon Hunters Codex & Clan Orks I tried to put them in an order of sorts. Things change around for some matchups. Necrons kill Tau and possibly Eldar, they're a huge spoiler army (which is probably why I'm so tempted to start them). But Necrons get beat by the best Marine & Chaos lists along with Godzilla Nids. Sisters are actually a pretty good Wildcard too, like Necrons they can really screw over some top tier lists (Sisters vs Deathwing style Pods is not fun, trust me). Guard are varible, but still low on the list compared to others. Eldar are still a wildcard, we still have to see how bad they'll fair after the dex is out for a while. God Tier Dex's have the possibility of really running roughshod over everything else in almost every category. Iron Warriors and Deathwing Styled Drop Pods can dominate at 1850.
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2006/11/12 15:16:12
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
South Pasadena
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The Ultramarine based pod list is all about Tigerius.
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2006/11/12 22:11:43
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Daring Dark Eldar Raider Rider
Between a rock and a hard place
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The above posters don't seem to rate Eldar, but Eldar have just won Heats 1 and 2, so something is amiss in their judgements. not really. All the posters above you classed them in the second most powerful level or thereabouts.
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2006/11/14 08:06:53
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Getting my broom incase there is shenanigans.
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Eldar are near the top in 3rd edition with the strength of the starcannon, and some of the things you can do with the craftworld codex.
They took a big hit in 4th edition, and you will not see them near the top of GTs again. They are powered more like the Tau now and you will see some lists climb, but they are not on the level of the true 'heavy hitters'.
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2006/11/14 22:41:39
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Posted By torgoch on 11/12/2006 3:52 PM I've played against pseudo-godzilla, and i play 6 MCs in my Tyranids sometimes. I know they are rated a power list, but not by me - I wouldn't fear facing it with Tau, Iron Warriors or Droppers. Can't make a call on Eldar, don't play 'em. The point I was trying to make is that while the 'zilla nids may have a rep, I haven't seen them do well anywhere. The above posters don't seem to rate Eldar, but Eldar have just won Heats 1 and 2, so something is amiss in their judgements. The person who won Heat 1 was using a Craft World/3rd Ed Eldar list (3 Shot Starcannon, etc). The winner of Heat 2 however I believe was using the new Eldar dex.
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2006/11/15 11:33:26
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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No Craftworlds. I'm sure he should have been using 3rd edition codex - as far as i am aware a codex requires a 1 month run-in before you can use it, so the new eldar list won't be used until the final, when the harlequin / fire prism / vibrocannon list will storm the top tables.
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Hodge-Podge says: Run with the Devil, Shout Satan's Might. Deathtongue! Deathtongue! The Beast arises tonight!
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2006/12/18 05:57:50
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Regular Dakkanaut
California ( again)
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well i cant say anything but I know my Dark Eldar Have won a lot of toury around were i played at, then came chaos and then marines,
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Dark eldar/ Chaos(kult army such as Emperor children or world eaters) Chaos LATD( yes these guys) Marines with speeders(lots of them) NIdz
middle teir Eldar Tau Ork speed freaks necrons
Bottom Gaurd SOB Hunters But that out of the five stores i play at too the first thing they ask is what amry im playing and then they say well crap he got first of second place already and they go for thrid or fourth after ward Not joking i won a few toury just py telling people i have X army and they were liek i cant defned against it
Mind power is half the battle
GI JOE
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The Red shirts are dying !!!!! It's Nuthing but a Death shroud!!!(Warp11) |
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2006/12/19 03:01:47
Subject: RE: Army power rankings
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Fixture of Dakka
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It amuses me to see everyone place IG so low. I confess, I haven't been as active in tournaments since 4th ed launched, but given that Mechanized IG led to "Best Team Tacticians" at Adepticon last year, I don't think 4th ed broke the mechanized Guard over-much.
Now, granted, if you're playing all-foot on terrain-heavy tables, or just playing IG wrong, they can suck.
My concern is the guy on the other side of the dice, not his little miniatures.
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