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For Tau it would be a Drone Controller on a riptide. 8 pts and take up one slot of two for absolutely no gain. :\

It doesn't cost any points, but there is no reason to ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever take the TL burst cannons on Tau tanks over the SMS.

 KommissarKiln wrote:

My mistake. It is possible with PCS, which is still a bad idea, risking removing the one giving the orders to save maybe 2 remaining models. However, I f a Lord Commissar and Ld 10 Warlord are in the same squad... Let the hilarity and *BLAM* ensue!

Actually, if that happens, I think the Commissar gets the officer rule as he replaces him...IIRC, it's in the errata.

Spike rifles, for 1 ppm you can reduce your strength by 1 and AP by 2 to slightly increase your range.

Melee weapons on sergeants, you're spending up to 30pts on a weapon that clashes with the rest of the squads function, and challenge can take out the sergeant.

Bike and Mega Armour for the Big Mek, because they disable the option for KFF or SAG.

Shotguns on IG vets are kind of useless. You exchange your 24 range for ability to charge after shooting. Wouldn't be bad on powerblobs, but on your vets? Just bad. The only use I can thing of is swapping sergeant's pistol for a shotgun to get an extra shot at 12"

Wraithswords for Wraithknights (wait, pay more and lose my D cannons for a reroll on my first melee attack?)
Power weapons for Eldar Guardian Assault squads

Sniper rifles for Eldar HQs

DC jump packs aren't pointless, but they ARE ridiculous.

Yes Martel! This should have been my primary example rather than combat shields!

 Avatrass wrote:
Shotguns on IG vets are kind of useless. You exchange your 24 range for ability to charge after shooting. Wouldn't be bad on powerblobs, but on your vets? Just bad. The only use I can thing of is swapping sergeant's pistol for a shotgun to get an extra shot at 12"

Situationally useful with Harker-led outflanking Vets. I've done it before with a Vet unit w/3xGL's (I was experimenting a little bit), the Unit wrecked shop against all of the Infantry they ran into to. Yes, they're shorter ranged, but they're dumping tons of shots. They mesh well with Demolitions too, but Shotguns made more sense in 5th than now in 6th.

Another quirky combo is to run Demolitions, shotguns, 1 heavy flamer and 2 meltas led by Harker. They are nasty off of the board edge against tanks or infantry. These types of units mesh well in IG armies with lots of outflanking or Infiltrating units. Those types of IG armies aren't all that common, but they're a hell of a lot of fun to run.

My nomination for pointless/worthless wargear or units: Eldar Banshees, they're gawd awful. Their masks used to good, now they're even worse.

 Avatrass wrote:
Shotguns on IG vets are kind of useless. You exchange your 24 range for ability to charge after shooting. Wouldn't be bad on powerblobs, but on your vets? Just bad. The only use I can thing of is swapping sergeant's pistol for a shotgun to get an extra shot at 12"

I combine shotguns usually with meltas, flamers would also be nice, to do some decent damage to a nearby enemy squad and then just charge in and finish or cripple what is generally much more than 70-100 points. Works best with chimera.

Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

 Selym wrote:
Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

So you're telling me all power armour should be made from the same stuff as the Hulk's purple shorts?

 Quanar wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

So you're telling me all power armour should be made from the same stuff as the Hulk's purple shorts?

I'd at least like a codpiece

when a champion ascends the prince has power armour on, its in the rules.

however he may take it of later

 Blackskull wrote:
when a champion ascends the prince has power armour on, its in the rules.

however he may take it of later

Guess I must've missed that part.

Though I have no idea why he'd remove it.
Though, I suppose, not all DP were CSM's.

Fusion pistols - 6" range? Just charge, dark lances in raider squads, dark lances and heat lances in scourge squads, agonisers on sybarites, even though i use them in under 2000points there a points sink

rigeld2 wrote:

Creeperman wrote:
The Armour Indomitus for Space Marines. Hilariously expensive, and available only to models which already have access to some combination of artificer armour, Terminator armour, built-in invulnerable saves, and/or bikes. One phase of 2++ saves isn't worth the 20+ points' premium you'll be spending over normal wargear.

It's also Relentless and you can sweep and embark in Rhinos.
Not useless at all IMO.

Yeah, but none of them have worthwhile guns that benefit from Relentless except the Master of the Forge with a Conversion Beamer, and he already has artificer armour for free. Putting him on a bike costs a third as much and gives him a better save against most AP2 or better ranged weapons. As for Rhinos, I have yet to see any of the beatstick HQs ever get near the things in 6th edition and the new rules for (not) assaulting out of a transport.

Pretty much any Titan arm mounted weapon that isn't Strength D or an apoc blast (horde clearing).

Sonic Lances on Revenants. Don't know why you'd ever take them over Pulsars.

 Selym wrote:

 Blackskull wrote:
when a champion ascends the prince has power armour on, its in the rules.

however he may take it of later

Guess I must've missed that part.

Though I have no idea why he'd remove it.
Though, I suppose, not all DP were CSM's.

That's the thing indeed, there are plenty of DP who weren't CSM who ascended, like Nobles, cult leaders, and those who just were truly worthy of becoming a glorious being.

Creeperman wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

Creeperman wrote:
The Armour Indomitus for Space Marines. Hilariously expensive, and available only to models which already have access to some combination of artificer armour, Terminator armour, built-in invulnerable saves, and/or bikes. One phase of 2++ saves isn't worth the 20+ points' premium you'll be spending over normal wargear.

It's also Relentless and you can sweep and embark in Rhinos.
Not useless at all IMO.

Yeah, but none of them have worthwhile guns that benefit from Relentless except the Master of the Forge with a Conversion Beamer, and he already has artificer armour for free. Putting him on a bike costs a third as much and gives him a better save against most AP2 or better ranged weapons. As for Rhinos, I have yet to see any of the beatstick HQs ever get near the things in 6th edition and the new rules for (not) assaulting out of a transport.

Orbital Bombardment benefits from Relentless. That's not worthwhile? And sweeping advance is pretty useful.

Failsafe Detonator in the tau codex-anyone even bothered to TRY it?

 BoomWolf wrote:
Failsafe Detonator in the tau codex-anyone even bothered to TRY it?

What does it do?

You explode when you lose in assault, essentially.

Tau. Aiming to be in assault. That should tell you everything you need to know.

rigeld2 wrote:

Creeperman wrote:

Yeah, but none of them have worthwhile guns that benefit from Relentless except the Master of the Forge with a Conversion Beamer, and he already has artificer armour for free. Putting him on a bike costs a third as much and gives him a better save against most AP2 or better ranged weapons. As for Rhinos, I have yet to see any of the beatstick HQs ever get near the things in 6th edition and the new rules for (not) assaulting out of a transport.

Orbital Bombardment benefits from Relentless. That's not worthwhile? And sweeping advance is pretty useful.

Not 60 points' worth of useful, it isn't. Orbital Bombardment generally gets used early anyway, to smash parking lots or deathstars before they do too much damage, and also to protect against losing the CM before he can fire it. Losing 6" of movement in turn 1 or 2 usually isn't a crippling sacrifice. Also what's wrong with a bike? It gives you Relentless, +1 toughness, a TL boltgun, more mobility, can potentially give you a 2+ cover save, still lets you sweep, and costs much less. Granted you can't ride in a transport, but with a 12" move (and turbo-boost) you don't even need one.

I hate bikes. Rules wise they're great - I just can't stand them.
But now we're off topic :-/

 Selym wrote:
Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

Are thinking CSM power armour is going to fit on a DP? [who is 5x the size of a SM]

 sing your life wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

Are thinking CSM power armour is going to fit on a DP? [who is 5x the size of a SM]

Now I kind of want to build a prince wearing a suit made of old SM armor pieces they just sort of slung together. Could work really well for a Slaaneshi bikini.

 sing your life wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

Are thinking CSM power armour is going to fit on a DP? [who is 5x the size of a SM]

It worked for this guy:

 Selym wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Selym wrote:
Power Armour on a DP upgrade is ridiculous.

So, Phil, you're telling me that when a CSM wearing PA grows up to be a DP, he is suddenly stripped naked? Okay.

Slaaneshi worship! *BLAM*

Are thinking CSM power armour is going to fit on a DP? [who is 5x the size of a SM]

It worked for this guy:

Spoiler:

I'm not seeing the image.