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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Buy, or buy not.

There is no whine.

Hah!
If only…

Pre ordered 5 of these as I always paint singles or up to batches of 5 minis at a time . No more blutack !!!

Now that doesn't make sense, given the simplicity to pop a mini in and out of the holder. More than one (maybe a spare?) seems redundent given that the mini will be on a base and acrylic paint take so little time to dry.

Your call obviously but you could spend the same money as an extra 4 on some of the new terrain for example.

Five of them cost the same as a codex, so it's not that bad. Plus since they're sold individually you can spread the purchase out over time.

It depends if (s)he's speed painting, and I can understand that point of view. When you line up 5 orcs to paint, the amount of time you spend swapping 1 to another on this holder is 2x or even 3x your actual paint time.

1. Pour brown leather paint.
2. Pick up orc 1, paint right shoe.
3. Pick up orc 2, paint right shoe.
4-6. Repeat for remaining 3 orcs.
7. pick up orc 1, paint left shoe.
8-11. repeat
12-16. belt on front half of mini.
17-21. belt on back half of mini.
22. next color.

Swapping minis from one handle to another would make this process take twice as long, if not 3 times. Having the minis all mounted on their own handle as step one would save this person time.

All of that said, I'll probably get one as my speed painting days are done. But I can understand the usefulness for someone that wants to bang out a lot of minis.

 kronk wrote:
When you line up 5 orcs to paint, the amount of time you spend swapping 1 to another on this holder is 2x or even 3x your actual paint time.

Really? I mean, like, really? I've timed some of my painting sessions when speed painting to try and nail down fast times. It's rare for a single speed painting step to take me less than 1 minute per model.

1. Pour brown leather paint.
2. Pick up orc 1, paint right shoe.
3. Pick up orc 2, paint right shoe.
4-6. Repeat for remaining 3 orcs.
7. pick up orc 1, paint left shoe.
8-11. repeat
12-16. belt on front half of mini.
17-21. belt on back half of mini.
22. next color.

Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???

Granted the method you list worked kind of well for my Skull Pass Night Goblins, but that's because I didn't remove them from the sprue to paint them, so there was no picking up and putting down of the model. If you're having to put down then pick up another model between steps surely you just want to paint all of one colour on a model before putting it down and picking up the next one.

People need to keep in mind that while this will be great for painting fully assembled figures, those who paint the bits separately or in subassemblies won't find these to be a solution over cork or blu-tac.

 Breotan wrote:
People need to keep in mind that while this will be great for painting fully assembled figures, those who paint the bits separately or in subassemblies won't find these to be a solution over cork or blu-tac.

Agreed. For sub assemblies, I either hold the piece if it is big enough or attach it to a straightened paper clip mounted on a cork.

NoggintheNog wrote:
Its £5/$8/€6-50

(from the new white dwarf)

I admit to being flabbergasted at this price. I was honestly expecting at least $20 each. For that price I might actually pick up a couple to give them a try.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???

yes. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. Next mini.

Then find the next thing. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. You aren't hunting for the 5 things each time on each mini, you are painting the first of 5 things, then second, and so on.

At least, that is what a few youtube tutorials I watched showed me. I'll never paint like that again, but that was fine for me and my orks at the time.

 Breotan wrote:
People need to keep in mind that while this will be great for painting fully assembled figures, those who paint the bits separately or in subassemblies won't find these to be a solution over cork or blu-tac.

To be honest.... I thought that was so obvious it didn't need to be mentioned Obviously when you have fiddly little bits that you want to paint separately or you like painting every single little piece by itself then you need to come up with a way to hold all those little bits separately.

I thought it was obvious from the very first picture that this was exclusively for holding things by the base, if the model doesn't have a base then you need a different solution.

Personally my method of painting is to paint as little of the model as possible in sub assemblies then finish assembling it and paint the rest. I hate having heaps of little bits scattered across my desk to paint individually. Also makes it difficult to have a consistent artificial lighting direction.

Coming up with holders for the fiddly bits is just one of the annoyance of life, I don't think there's been a product invented that is the quick and easy solution for all fiddly bits.

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 kronk wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???

yes. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. Next mini.

Then find the next thing. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. You aren't hunting for the 5 things each time on each mini, you are painting the first of 5 things, then second, and so on.

At least, that is what a few youtube tutorials I watched showed me. I'll never paint like that again, but that was fine for me and my orks at the time.

I've literally never seen someone batch painting like that. It's always left boot, right boot, next model..... front of belt, back of belt, strap over shoulder, next model.....

But if you do happen to paint like that, one brush stroke per model or something insane like that, I think it should be blatantly obvious that you're best off just picking the models up by the base to do it. It's hardly even worth mounting them on empty bottles/corks if you paint so little of the model in one go.

Anyone with a modicum of modelling/painting experience should be able to figure out that it's only worth mounting the model in the holder if they are going to be holding it for more than a few seconds.

A cork at that handle size is probably quite expensive?!

I think 2 holders is the sweet spot you paint one mini put it a side to dry and then paint the 2nd mini, by the time you finish that you can replace the one on the first holder… THese holders are quite cheap so I do not undertand the argument that blu tac and a tiny whine cork is better value. you save what 4 quid? pointless.

Blu tac never seems to hold well on cork either and most times things fall off.

 NAVARRO wrote:
A cork at that handle size is probably quite expensive?!

I think 2 holders is the sweet spot you paint one mini put it a side to dry and then paint the 2nd mini, by the time you finish that you can replace the one on the first holder… THese holders are quite cheap so I do not undertand the argument that blu tac and a tiny whine cork is better value. you save what 4 quid? pointless.

Blu tac never seems to hold well on cork either and most times things fall off.

You could easily make holders out of MDF squares, nails and a wing nut and bolt.

but that requires some basic hand tools, materials, and time. and its as free as you are willing to scavenge parts.

otherwise just go buy this thing or drink a lot of wine for cork (though im noticing cork is being replaced with that garage plastic stuff because cork is going endangered or something)

Hmm, I wonder if it will be worth putting some sports tape around the handle to make it more comfortable.

At the price they are advertising, I'm thinking of picking up three - one for me, one for my son, and a spare.

 Desubot wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
A cork at that handle size is probably quite expensive?!

I think 2 holders is the sweet spot you paint one mini put it a side to dry and then paint the 2nd mini, by the time you finish that you can replace the one on the first holder… THese holders are quite cheap so I do not undertand the argument that blu tac and a tiny whine cork is better value. you save what 4 quid? pointless.

Blu tac never seems to hold well on cork either and most times things fall off.

You could easily make holders out of MDF squares, nails and a wing nut and bolt.

but that requires some basic hand tools, materials, and time. and its as free as you are willing to scavenge parts.

otherwise just go buy this thing or drink a lot of wine for cork (though im noticing cork is being replaced with that garage plastic stuff because cork is going endangered or something)

Given I can buy this thing for significantly less than 1 hour's worth of pay cheque I think making my own one would be a net loss even if I could get the bits for free

It wouldn't be hard to make a block that clamps a base using some plywood, but I'd still want a decent handle to screw it in to and it'd be way more work than I'd be willing to put in given how cheap GW are selling this.

Granted maybe it'll suck, maybe it'll be so flimsy that it's not even worth the very low price tag, we'll see how it goes. I have a feeling GW are going to make a bucketload of money off this thing though.

 kronk wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Wait, people actually paint like that??? They don't just paint all of one colour on a model then move on to the next one???

yes. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. Next mini.

Then find the next thing. Pick it up, paint the thing, put it down. You aren't hunting for the 5 things each time on each mini, you are painting the first of 5 things, then second, and so on.

At least, that is what a few youtube tutorials I watched showed me. I'll never paint like that again, but that was fine for me and my orks at the time.

Huh that seems like very inefficient for speed painting. I paint assembly style one colour at a time. I'm painting bone? Paint all parts with that. Metal? Again whether it's gun or lens of marine helmet all goes in.

With that and possibility of multitasking taking model out while reaching for next and putting model to handle while pulling arm back to painting position don't see why this would slow process down that much if any.

Hmm... I realize people use different techniques for painting their mini's. Ive been doing the following for years and it's the cheapest, fastest, most efficient way to pain in my opinion:



Step 1: Assemble mini
Step 2: Cut a bit of straight sprue and make sure it is cut flat
Step 3: Plastic glue sprue to bottom of base
Step 4: Punch a hole into some Styrofoam, (to place your new mini holder into while you wait for paint to dry)
Step 5: Prime your mini, (picture above), Paint your mini, varnish your mini, and be done
Step 6: Once done, simply apply a little pressure to sprue, it snaps off clean and laves no trace

Easy, quick, and costs nothing as the sprue comes with the miniatures.

Well, if you paint one area at a time, you can get into the "zone" and paint on autopilot. At least in my experience, when I paint one color on a model, I'm "shifting" from quickly slapping on paint in the middle of an area, to carefully painting one area that's next to another. I also do sub-assembly, which means, with a multipiece figure, I'm painting arms, weapons, heads, etc. separately from the body.

IMO, Assembly-line painting isn't just there for speed. It's also efficient in the sense of reducing the mental effort of painting. I don't particularly enjoy painting, prefer to minimize the potential mishaps that can happen -- such as "popping" out a partially dried miniature and having the wet paint stick to something that it shouldn't.

 kronk wrote:
It depends if (s)he's speed painting, and I can understand that point of view. When you line up 5 orcs to paint, the amount of time you spend swapping 1 to another on this holder is 2x or even 3x your actual paint time.

1. Pour brown leather paint.
2. Pick up orc 1, paint right shoe.
3. Pick up orc 2, paint right shoe.
4-6. Repeat for remaining 3 orcs.
7. pick up orc 1, paint left shoe.
8-11. repeat
12-16. belt on front half of mini.
17-21. belt on back half of mini.
22. next color.

Swapping minis from one handle to another would make this process take twice as long, if not 3 times. Having the minis all mounted on their own handle as step one would save this person time.

All of that said, I'll probably get one as my speed painting days are done. But I can understand the usefulness for someone that wants to bang out a lot of minis.

Wait a minute.. Do shoes differ in color?? Otherwise you're doing speed painting wrong.

I like it! In theory, at least. I will definitely pick one up before the year is out and test it out. While my hands don't get tired or worn out from holding the minis, my hands do sweat a lot, especially if getting used in moments where they are getting lots of use and my mind is focusing on something, which leads to layers of paint on raised edges and details flaking off just from me handling them. I would rather have one of these than have to go rinse my hands off every half hour or so. If I really like it, I could see myself getting a total of 5 or 10 and using them for my army painting (I never paint more than 10 models at a time, and usually in groups of 5 ).

The only issue I see with it is that it's not big enough for larger models, in particular ones that don't have bases such as Reaper Bones monsters, tanks, or scenery. But still, it looks cool and handy for me. I never could get the cork and blue-tac to work for me, and I do my basing after painting the models.

Placed my order for one of these yesterday, was totally surprised by the price and couldn't resist!

Am I the only one who isn't bothered about having an optimised system for the maximum efficiency when I paint? I just take my time and enjoy myself and if the handle helps with cramps in my hands then I'll be chuffed with my purchase. I don't think you can go too far wrong for a fiver even if you could make an alternative.

I understand not everybody will be the same but surely I can't be the only one?!

Depends on what I'm painting. Sometimes I'm taking my time and having fun... And sometimes I'm just trying to get as much done as possible in as short a time as possible.

Looks good with a great price, my only 2 concerns are:

1 - limited angle to paint from beneath the model vs blutac on paint pot. Especially on smaller 25mm bases. I know people will say 'you cant see it dont paint it' but i am pedantic like that

2 - I wonder if square bases can be wedged in there.

Overall I think it is an easy buy to just have 1 there for that nice character model you want to paint but time will tell if it is worth buying 5 for some production line work.

 MangoMadness wrote:
Looks good with a great price, my only 2 concerns are:

1 - limited angle to paint from beneath the model vs blutac on paint pot. Especially on smaller 25mm bases. I know people will say 'you cant see it dont paint it' but i am pedantic like that

2 - I wonder if square bases can be wedged in there.

Overall I think it is an easy buy to just have 1 there for that nice character model you want to paint but time will tell if it is worth buying 5 for some production line work.

Its a tool that is nice to have when you need it.

certainly will be nice when im airbrushing varnish or just doing eyes after doing a sub assembly.

 Desubot wrote:

 MangoMadness wrote:
Looks good with a great price, my only 2 concerns are:

1 - limited angle to paint from beneath the model vs blutac on paint pot. Especially on smaller 25mm bases. I know people will say 'you cant see it dont paint it' but i am pedantic like that

2 - I wonder if square bases can be wedged in there.

Overall I think it is an easy buy to just have 1 there for that nice character model you want to paint but time will tell if it is worth buying 5 for some production line work.

Its a tool that is nice to have when you need it.

certainly will be nice when im airbrushing varnish or just doing eyes after doing a sub assembly.

I doubt you want to use this thing for airbrushing a varnish, I reckon repeatedly getting varnish in the sliding parts will eventually cause it to bind up.

Maybe not, just my guess.

 caminacambob wrote:
I understand not everybody will be the same but surely I can't be the only one?!

You definitely are not! (: I figure if you paint the figure... you win!!!

Unfortunately, with another Mantic army to paint and the last one started LAST November, there aren't enough win here! (:

(And, no, the reason it took so long wasn't the painting "handle"! (:

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Is GW paint drinkable?

It's non-toxic but I wouldn't recommend it.

 Ratius wrote:
Is GW paint drinkable?

Duncan sacrified himself for the laughs. He's a true hero.