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Voss wrote:

TheOpposition wrote:
Memes are art, Memes are modern art in the true sense of the word.

Replaceable garbage of minimal effort and no lasting value?

To be fair, that describes most art

I can buy the argument that memes are art, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have value or great meaning. Most art is disposable, intended for short term or single use, with minimal and highly subjective value.

Memes are however particularly tiresome, especially when they become the exclusive medium by which some communicate or attempt to take the place of more meaningful conversation.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Voss wrote:

TheOpposition wrote:
Memes are art, Memes are modern art in the true sense of the word.

Replaceable garbage of minimal effort and no lasting value?

To be fair, that describes most art

I can buy the argument that memes are art, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have value or great meaning. Most art is disposable, intended for short term or single use, with minimal and highly subjective value.

Memes are however particularly tiresome, especially when they become the exclusive medium by which some communicate or attempt to take the place of more meaningful conversation.

You can not like a art and still say it is a art. However they are a instead a much more shorter term, more reactionery art form that's much more fluid and changeable.

One e created. It's nearly impossible to kill ideas.

Replaceable garbage of minimal effort and no lasting value?

Some memes are obviously better than others, Russian artist Olga Vishnevsky has turned a meme into art.

Memes are however particularly tiresome, especially when they become the exclusive medium by which some communicate or attempt to take the place of more meaningful conversation.

It seems to me the people who are "tired" of memes are the people who did'nt get them in the first place.

Seriously i'm using this for my desktop background.

Please do not attach non-wargaming images to your posts - BrookM

My entire life revolves around communicating with people through memes.


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 Vaktathi wrote:

Voss wrote:

TheOpposition wrote:
Memes are art, Memes are modern art in the true sense of the word.

Replaceable garbage of minimal effort and no lasting value?

To be fair, that describes most art

I can buy the argument that memes are art, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have value or great meaning. Most art is disposable, intended for short term or single use, with minimal and highly subjective value.

Memes are however particularly tiresome, especially when they become the exclusive medium by which some communicate or attempt to take the place of more meaningful conversation.

Most communication is not meaningful. More often than not if you were to ask someone about their most meaningful realization or moment in life I doubt it would be a conversation. Funny how people so value the ability to know what someone is thinking without saying a word. Now those moments. Those have value.


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 LordofHats wrote:

 Iron_Captain wrote:

Off-topic, but I have to get it off my chest. I never liked that Star Trek episode. It did not make sense. Certainly, when faced with people who evidently do not understand your metaphors you would switch to speaking without metaphors? Certainly the Tamarians are capable of speaking without using metaphors, otherwise they would never have been able to create metaphors or even learn to speak in the first place. They will need to speak without metaphors when they teach their children to speak for example. This means that Dathon could have spoken without using metaphors if he had wanted to. But then why does Dathon so radically refuse to speak without metaphors to Picard? It does not make sense. Evidently the Tamarians wish to be understood, yet they deliberately speak in a way that makes themselves unintelligible to foreigners?

To answer:

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The episode justifies their odd speaking method as an attempt to get past easily misunderstood words and instead express more complex emotions and intentions through idioms. Presumably they've done this for so long that idioms are their language, and speaking normally isn't something they can do anymore. Really there's no reason mechanically that this language can't work. An word is just a marker for meaning, and an idiom is just a collection of words functioning as a marker for meaning. In the end the function is the same. Whether or not this language could come about is even not hard to imagine. You can have entire conversations using netspeak for example, which isn't that distinct, and if you can can do that, you could potentially cut out the middle man.

Really the silly part is how on earth the Universal Translator is any use at all. How can it piece out the word "ocean" when the actual expression has nothing to do with an ocean? The species could probably communicate among itself in this manner well enough, but talking to anyone else it should appear as little more than gibberish. Picard hanging out with one for a bit on a remote planet isn't remotely enough time to piece out what's going on.

Both the best and worst TNG episode of all time. The worst because it is just straight dumb - They basically make the alien race out to be a bunch of idiots that has lot the ability to adapt and find common ground to communicate. Heck my dog can communicate better than Darmak can. It's also the best for the quality memes and teashirts it has created. Interesting - even though it is such a terrible idea. It is still not an episode I would skip.

TheOpposition wrote:

Memes are however particularly tiresome, especially when they become the exclusive medium by which some communicate or attempt to take the place of more meaningful conversation.

It seems to me the people who are "tired" of memes are the people who did'nt get them in the first place.

I grew up in the great precambrian meme cauldron that was something awful and 00's 4chan, I couldn't count the number of memes I've got saved or made that I once found hilarious, many I still do.

However, as I said, when people can't communicate without using them , or when you've seen the same meme for the 80 millionth time, etc, their cleverness and ability to amuse degrades rapidly.

 Xenomancers wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

Voss wrote:

TheOpposition wrote:
Memes are art, Memes are modern art in the true sense of the word.

Replaceable garbage of minimal effort and no lasting value?

To be fair, that describes most art

I can buy the argument that memes are art, but that doesn't necessarily mean they have value or great meaning. Most art is disposable, intended for short term or single use, with minimal and highly subjective value.

Memes are however particularly tiresome, especially when they become the exclusive medium by which some communicate or attempt to take the place of more meaningful conversation.

Most communication is not meaningful. More often than not if you were to ask someone about their most meaningful realization or moment in life I doubt it would be a conversation. Funny how people so value the ability to know what someone is thinking without saying a word. Now those moments. Those have value.

Methinks I was misunderstood here. There are times and places for meaningful conversation. It needn't be all the time, spamming memes to pals has its place. However, when the time and place are appropriate for needing to actually converse with someone, and memes are all one can really communicate with, there is a problem. When discussing nuanced political issues, technical matters, or having an important need to know where why the hell you haven't picked them up yet, that tends to have problems. The last one almost got someone fired at my office recently.

At the end of the day an equal amount of people will fail at being tactful with memes and they will fail at being tactful with words. I don't think the meme is to blame here. Lack of tact is. Part of being tactful with memes is not overusing them too so I will grant you that.

Really break it down though. A picture is worth a 1000 words is an old saying. So what is a picture with 10 words on it worth? In todays high paced world you need quick information. OFC most of the time we just consume trash information and comedy but it is a highly effective way to communicate thoughts/ideas/and emotions.

Some memes are obviously better than others, Russian artist Olga Vishnevsky has turned a meme into art.

Oh wow, yeah, no one has ever made a last supper parody before, it must be because of cool internet culture right?

Oh wow, yeah, no one has ever made a last supper parody before, it must be because of cool internet culture right?

Its an example of art, of something that took talent to make. Compare it to corporate art:

Its an example of art, of something that took talent to make

Except it didn't that was the point of my sarcastic quip there in case you missed it.

Maybe I should just have posted the various Star Wars, dogs playing poker, Simpsons, etc versions of last supper to prove my point

I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

Have you seen the # meme, have you seen the OK meme, how about the clown world meme, all are created to mock the MSMs obsession with the things you mentioned by hanging a lantern on their utter lack of ability or willing to investigate these memes and their need to generate revenue by creating a non existent boogy man to fight, all were made up precisely to make fun of the liberal media monolith and they have been proven correct every single time, its glorious that a thing as simple as a meme can do this, the journalism class is losing its status as gatekeepers on information because they cannot handle a few edgy boys/girls on the internet and their meme magic..... honk honk

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

It's always been there, but it's definitely become more overt and the art form has absolutely become the preferred medium of that particular demographic.

A lot of it also used to be done much more ironically or just to be edgy, but unfortunately the saying about any group acting like idiots for fun will soon attract real idiots thinking they're in good company sadly held true.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

It's always been there, but it's definitely become more overt and the art form has absolutely become the preferred medium of that particular demographic.

A lot of it also used to be done much more ironically or just to be edgy, but unfortunately the saying about any group acting like idiots for fun will soon attract real idiots thinking they're in good company sadly held true.

99.9% of it still is, but you and others focus on that 0.01% and claim it represents the whole, I am part of a meme page on facebook started by a woman and is mostly woman and even I was shocked at some of the close to the bone memes on there, most are trash tier though, you also have 40k memes, 30k ones, AOS, star wars, star trek, every kind of pop culture you can think of, media memes, political memes, baby memes, cat memes, hecking good doggo memes, right wing memes... .not left wing ones though.... cos the left cant meme (which is is a meme).

So yes you are overthinking it or being overexposed to it by yourself or other means, saying memes, that are a form of language, are "preferred medium of that particular demographic" is no different from saying racists use words, therefore anyone that uses words is racist... language cannot inherently be racist, its not possible.

 Formosa wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

It's always been there, but it's definitely become more overt and the art form has absolutely become the preferred medium of that particular demographic.

A lot of it also used to be done much more ironically or just to be edgy, but unfortunately the saying about any group acting like idiots for fun will soon attract real idiots thinking they're in good company sadly held true.

99.9% of it still is, but you and others focus on that 0.01% and claim it represents the whole,

Yeah no. I left 4chan when it was taken over by neo-nazis and it should be clear from real world events that this isn't just "being edgy" or "sticking it to the libs", it's become about real radicalization and violence.

But hey I'm sure those shooters were just being ironic right?

 Formosa wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

It's always been there, but it's definitely become more overt and the art form has absolutely become the preferred medium of that particular demographic.

A lot of it also used to be done much more ironically or just to be edgy, but unfortunately the saying about any group acting like idiots for fun will soon attract real idiots thinking they're in good company sadly held true.

99.9% of it still is, but you and others focus on that 0.01% and claim it represents the whole, I am part of a meme page on facebook started by a woman and is mostly woman and even I was shocked at some of the close to the bone memes on there, most are trash tier though, you also have 40k memes, 30k ones, AOS, star wars, star trek, every kind of pop culture you can think of, media memes, political memes, baby memes, cat memes, hecking good doggo memes, right wing memes... .not left wing ones though.... cos the left cant meme (which is is a meme).

Methinks you're engaging in a wee bit of projection here. I never said that the tiny minority of such memes represent them all. Meme's absolutely come in all kinds of forms from all kinds of groups. As I said, I've got an uncountable number of memes stashed in my funnies folder. However, they are definitely more overt in espousing concepts of homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia than they used to be, and their use as such likewise is much more prominent. That's not the same thing as saying all meme's are these things. It's an observation on their evolution and usage by certain groups.

So yes you are overthinking it or being overexposed to it by yourself or other means, saying memes, that are a form of language, are "preferred medium of that particular demographic" is no different from saying racists use words, therefore anyone that uses words is racist... language cannot inherently be racist, its not possible.

Or rather, it's more akin to noting that certain words and phrases are used in such contexts to convey those concepts and that those espousing such views use them a lot, and that such words and phrases can have (or can acquire) those properties.


Lets be real, there's been a cultural shift in many places and the use of memes. 4chan for instance was once the internet equivalent of a sketchy bathroom for people to piss all over and generally just be gross and get it out of their system, and people would say things and post memes that were often horrible but mostly didn't have real intent behind them. Over time however, it attracted a lot of people who actually enjoy the taste of piss, and it went from "get it out in a place where it doesn't matter" to "hey lets start having tasting parties, I kinda like rolling around in all this!" It doesn't mean all memes are used in this way, or that memes fundamentally reflect such views, but to pretend that such a shift hasn't taken place is also monstrously disingenuous.

The genius of memes is that they aren't just a picture, they are a story. Each time they are posted something get added, you are not just seeing the story of its creator but the story of everyone who has ever posted it, this creates the meme magic and their is light meme magic and dark meme magic. The liight meme magic is the healing magic that is given to people like me, it helps us shoulder the weight of living in this dystopian novel, but to the enemies of truth it gives dark magic, this is why when reporters from Vox or Vice try to write on the goings on of online messsage boards they return scared and confused. This is because the energy of all the gak posters has built up and saturated the meme. Think of it like the birth of Slaanesh. I did a video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueCA49euI-M&t=285s

 ScarletRose wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:
I won't get into anything too political, but I've personally grown to dislike how memes are increasingly used for grotesque opinions.The volume of thinly veiled homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia is downright depressing.

I don't know. Maybe I'm overthinking it and it's always been there. Maybe is just teenagers trying to be edgy.

It's always been there, but it's definitely become more overt and the art form has absolutely become the preferred medium of that particular demographic.

A lot of it also used to be done much more ironically or just to be edgy, but unfortunately the saying about any group acting like idiots for fun will soon attract real idiots thinking they're in good company sadly held true.

99.9% of it still is, but you and others focus on that 0.01% and claim it represents the whole,

Yeah no. I left 4chan when it was taken over by neo-nazis and it should be clear from real world events that this isn't just "being edgy" or "sticking it to the libs", it's become about real radicalization and violence.

But hey I'm sure those shooters were just being ironic right?

I never went to 4chan due to its reputation alone, but I feel like I should to see if what people say about it is true, I am leaning on no its not mainly due to how much people lie about this kind of thing, as for your second statement, .... what an incredibly stupid thing to say, buy your reasoning every single person on 4chan or who uses memes is a shooter.... think you need to expand on that comment as I do not think you meant to come of that way.


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Methinks you're engaging in a wee bit of projection here.

indicate where or its just you trying to poison the well right off the bat, there is no projection and anything you have inferred indicating that is flatly wrong.

I never said that the tiny minority of such memes represent them all.

Indicate what "such memes" you are referring to please

Meme's absolutely come in all kinds of forms from all kinds of groups.

Yes they do, and that is my point, the vast vast majority of memes are just run of the mill.

However, they are definitely more overt in espousing concepts of homophobia, misogyny and xenophobia than they used to be

And? so what if a few people are throwing around such things, its impossible to stop them and again the vast majority of memes are run of the mill, this to me feels like you projecting

and their use as such likewise is much more prominent.

But why are they more prominent, that is the question that should be asked, I have an opinion on it, but I would like to hear yours please.

That's not the same thing as saying all meme's are these things. It's an observation on their evolution and usage by certain groups.

Its not an evolution of their usage by certain groups its an evolution of language used by ALL groups which also happens to be racists etc. but we are hyper focused on that one group so WE blow it out of proportion which leads to a snow ball effect from these people, they know we will react to such horrible things so they make more of these horrible things so we react and they react and the cycle never ends.

Lets be real, there's been a cultural shift in many places and the use of memes

Agreed, they have become mainstream, when the US president starts using memes you know its mainstream.

4chan for instance was once the internet equivalent of a sketchy bathroom for people to piss all over and generally just be gross and get it out of their system

I have not been on their so I cannot comment but I know what you mean, just go into any barracks toilets and you will see some of the most horrific things written on the walls.

and people would say things and post memes that were often horrible but mostly didn't have real intent behind them.

I agree dude, and that is the most common thing with memes still, they are just throw away simple form communication that does not require much thought and most of the time has no thought put into them #notalways though.

Over time however, it attracted a lot of people who actually enjoy the taste of piss, and it went from "get it out in a place where it doesn't matter" to "hey lets start having tasting parties

So what, let them taste each other piss, 9/10 of the crap they produce we will never see unless we go looking for it, its just yet another bubble on the internet, twitter, facebook etc. all have the same problems

It doesn't mean all memes are used in this way, or that memes fundamentally reflect such views, but to pretend that such a shift hasn't taken place is also monstrously disingenuous.

And here we get to the important statement, you ARE saying that memes are inherently dangerous, and we agree as ALL language is inherently dangerous as it allows us to communicate and thus misunderstand, lie etc. but should we ban all language because bad words exist, should we ban all memes because bad ones exist?

So no, I totally reject your false premise that memes fundamentally reflect such views, I reject that its "monstrously disingenuous", you have made these assertions so I ask that you prove them please.

Yes, 4chan really is as bad as claimed. It used to be a site full of shock humor, where people would post stuff like "Hitler was right, kill all the Jews" as a joke and as a weird contest to see who could come up with the most offensive possible things to say. But at some point in the past few years it stopped being purely a shock humor thing and people started taking it seriously. Whether that was a case of the initial members moving off to the extremes in their beliefs or just extremists deciding to take 4chan as their new home, who knows. But what used to be memes about "LOL TRUMP BUILD THAT WALL" from people who knew perfectly well it was a stupid idea and were playing the role of right-wing extremist for humor value turned into real white supremacists using memes to spread their ideas. What used to be offensive jokes about "can't get laid, shoot all women" turned into incels genuinely believing they are entitled to sex and a mass murderer live streaming his murders while quoting 4chan memes.

Yes, 4chan really is as bad as claimed. It used to be a site full of shock humor, where people would post stuff like "Hitler was right, kill all the Jews" as a joke and as a weird contest to see who could come up with the most offensive possible things to say. But at some point in the past few years it stopped being purely a shock humor thing and people started taking it seriously. Whether that was a case of the initial members moving off to the extremes in their beliefs or just extremists deciding to take 4chan as their new home, who knows. But what used to be memes about "LOL TRUMP BUILD THAT WALL" from people who knew perfectly well it was a stupid idea and were playing the role of right-wing extremist for humor value turned into real white supremacists using memes to spread their ideas. What used to be offensive jokes about "can't get laid, shoot all women" turned into incels genuinely believing they are entitled to sex and a mass murderer live streaming his murders while quoting 4chan memes.

4chan has a cooking and a origami section. Personally I like cruise the paranormal section trying to find a way to summon Cthulhu. Yea their are gakky people on 4chan but I have to say the place where I have gotten the weirdest and most disturbing threats is on Twitter.
Also Elliot Rodger wasn't on 4chan he was involved in an online community of guys who claimed that pickupartist had scammed them and subscribed to the Young Turks and the New Zealand shooter went to 8chan which is not in anyway affiliated with 4chan.

TheOpposition wrote:

Yes, 4chan really is as bad as claimed. It used to be a site full of shock humor, where people would post stuff like "Hitler was right, kill all the Jews" as a joke and as a weird contest to see who could come up with the most offensive possible things to say. But at some point in the past few years it stopped being purely a shock humor thing and people started taking it seriously. Whether that was a case of the initial members moving off to the extremes in their beliefs or just extremists deciding to take 4chan as their new home, who knows. But what used to be memes about "LOL TRUMP BUILD THAT WALL" from people who knew perfectly well it was a stupid idea and were playing the role of right-wing extremist for humor value turned into real white supremacists using memes to spread their ideas. What used to be offensive jokes about "can't get laid, shoot all women" turned into incels genuinely believing they are entitled to sex and a mass murderer live streaming his murders while quoting 4chan memes.

4chan has a cooking and a origami section. Personally I like cruise the paranormal section trying to find a way to summon Cthulhu. Yea their are gakky people on 4chan but I have to say the place where I have gotten the weirdest and most disturbing threats is on Twitter.
Also Elliot Rodger wasn't on 4chan he was involved in an online community of guys who claimed that pickupartist had scammed them and subscribed to the Young Turks and the New Zealand shooter went to 8chan which is not in anyway affiliated with 4chan.

A cooking section eh, is it any good? and the paranormal section, is that where the SCP series came from, as that is excellent.

I totally agree about twitter btw, it is THE biggest spot for the extremes on the internet and I never hear anyone asking for it to be shut down.

A cooking section eh, is it any good?

This looks good: http://boards.4channel.org/ck/thread/12407559

and the paranormal section, is that where the SCP series came from, as that is excellent.

Not sure but they definitely talk about it there.

I totally agree about twitter btw, it is THE biggest spot for the extremes on the internet and I never hear anyone asking for it to be shut down.

I use it to promote my youtube channel. Why anyone would use it for fun is beyond me.

My favorite meme is clownworld. As the saying goes its the court jester that gets to mock the king and the kingdom.

Please do not attach non-wargaming images to your posts - BrookM

That's a pretty solid meme, mine is the NPC meme because left or right there seems to be people almost pre programmed with set responses, it's something I have been noticing on Facebook when I go on Jeremy corbyns page, it's actually made me more self aware to try and think more about what I'm saying and research more, memes can do good!

Jeremy corbyns page

The man is out of his mind, however I do appreciate the intellectual Chaos he causes as I would take Chaos over stagnation.

the NPC meme

Its too depressing for me, far too accurate.

I salute the lizard men for recognizing Kek.

Please do not attach non-wargaming images to your posts - BrookM

Please stop attaching non-wargaming images to your posts, it's against forum rules.

 Formosa wrote:
I never hear anyone asking for it to be shut down.

That's because Twitter has at least some token degree of accountability and control. You don't see much demand for it to be shut down entirely because all of the demand is for Twitter to enforce content rules and stop allowing offensive material. You see people arguing for 4chan to be shut down because, in addition to accusations of illegal activity, 4chan makes a point of not controlling its content no matter how offensive it is. So all that's left is to block the site entirely.


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TheOpposition wrote:
I salute the lizard men for recognizing Kek.

Well, you're certainly doing a good job of demonstrating why people dislike "meme culture" and the people involved in it.


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 Formosa wrote:
That's a pretty solid meme, mine is the NPC meme because left or right there seems to be people almost pre programmed with set responses

This is a rather ironic statement given the fact that the entire point of a meme is repeating a set response. It comes across as the same kind of thing as "edgy" teenagers bragging about how non-conformist they are by buying mass-produced shirts with the same slogans as all of their friends.

That's because Twitter has at least some token degree of accountability and control.

No it hasn't, it favors certain individuals and viewpoints.

Well, you're certainly doing a good job of demonstrating why people dislike "meme culture" and the people involved in it.

What have I done wrong?

Please stop attaching non-wargaming images to your posts,

TheOpposition wrote:
No it hasn't, it favors certain individuals and viewpoints.

Yes, it does favor certain individuals and viewpoints but that has nothing to do with accountability. People don't lobby to ban Twitter entirely because in theory Twitter's rules prohibit people from posting Nazi ideology and at least in theory they can lobby Twitter to enforce their rules and ban the Nazi accounts. Twitter is ineffective in doing so, but at least there's the hope that this could be changed. People lobby to ban 4chan because 4chan's response to "hey, you have a Nazi problem" is to openly refuse to delete any content whatsoever, no matter how offensive it is, unless they are legally required to do so to avoid prison. There is no hope of getting 4chan to enforce any kind of standards so people just want to get rid of it.

What have done wrong?

Posting stupid meme images that have nothing to do with any useful discussion, and now mocking the site rules by attaching a meme image that has nothing to do with the discussion but lets you attach a file that is technically related to wargaming. You're acting like a small child who responds to a parent telling them to stop poking their sibling by hovering their finger 0.0001" away and saying "I'M NOT TOUCHING THEM I'M NOT TOUCHING THEM I'M NOT TOUCHING THEM".

I get it, the meme of misspelling Guilliman’s name has gotten pretty old.

That's because Twitter has at least some token degree of accountability and control.

To itself, so no accountability or control.

You don't see much demand for it to be shut down entirely because all of the demand is for Twitter to enforce content rules and stop allowing offensive material.

I find twitter offensive, therefore it should be shut down, offence is purely subjective, I agree certain clearly extreme views should be restricted though, far left and far right, apply the rules across the board equally.... twitter by its own CEOs admission does not do this.

You see people arguing for 4chan to be shut down because, in addition to accusations of illegal activity, 4chan makes a point of not controlling its content no matter how offensive it is.

good, well done to 4chan, you are doing a good job of selling it to me, so it has no highly subjective censorship and its up to me to decide what I can see or not see, I like that idea.

So all that's left is to block the site entirely.

Or let the market decide

Well, you're certainly doing a good job of demonstrating why people dislike "meme culture" and the people involved in it.

by showing a frog...... dude.

This is a rather ironic statement given the fact that the entire point of a meme is repeating a set response. It comes across as the same kind of thing as "edgy" teenagers bragging about how non-conformist they are by buying mass-produced shirts with the same slogans as all of their friends.

"mine is the NPC meme because left or right there seems to be people almost pre programmed with set responses"

Dude......


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 Crazyterran wrote:
I get it, the meme of misspelling Guilliman’s name has gotten pretty old.

And that is the wonderful thing about memes.... eventually they go away... mostly, bloody dark angels one wont die though

 Formosa wrote:
To itself, so no accountability or control.

Yes, but you're missing the point. Twitter has a central authority to appeal to and say "please ban this stuff from your service", so Twitter gets a bunch of appeals to do that. 4chan deliberately refuses to even pretend to control its content or listen to appeals to ban offensive material, so people resort to calling for banning 4chan entirely.

good, well done to 4chan, you are doing a good job of selling it to me, so it has no highly subjective censorship and its up to me to decide what I can see or not see, I like that idea.

Sure, I suppose if you enjoy swimming around in the sewer and take pride in how much you're getting everywhere then 4chan is appealing for that kind of thing. Personally I don't understand the appeal of having the ability to click a link and not be sure if it's going to be a 40k list discussion or Nazi propaganda or just graphic photos of murder victims, but I suppose everyone has their variety of masochism.

(I'm told 4chan has finally done something about the illegal pornography problem, so at least you probably won't be getting on any FBI watch lists anymore.)

Or let the market decide

That's also an option. And please note that I'm not advocating banning 4chan. Unlike Twitter removing material the company doesn't like the government (or ISPs acting as an extension of the government's authority) blocking access to 4chan would in fact be a free speech violation. I'm just pointing out why people do call for banning the site even if they don't call for banning Twitter/Facebook/etc.

by showing a frog...... dude.

By posting irrelevant spam nonsense for the sole purpose of annoying the moderators, yes.