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Poached this from Warseer -

Warseer's reputable Destris blessed us with a boatload of ForgeWorld-to-Citadel-crossover rumours. Brimstone has remained silent on the subject, but posted Destris' predictions in the 40K Rumour Roundup which is about as concrete as you can get.

Enjoy:

Originally Posted by Aalok 
A fellow gamer just came back from LA where he spoke to a GW Manager that had returned from some kind of meeting in the UK. Basically, he was told;  

"Stop buying FW Krieg troops. You'll thank me come July. *wink, wink*"

At first I thought this to be non-sense, but the more I think about it.....the Krieg troops have been very popular, and could be very profitable for GW if converted to plastics. Any thoughts on this?

July? Nope.

A while off? (Say, within 3 years?)

You becha.

I suppose from that you can also gather what the plastic GW Apocalypse size model for the plastic DKoK will be then?

Right guys, let me clear a bit of stuff up here bofre the inevitable "Probability War" starts. First, some responses:

Originally Posted by anselminus 
It is not very probable, seen that in July the campagne for warhammer will begin and that novelties in touch with the campaign shall go out.

No way at all plastic DK are coming this July, I don't think anyone needs me to tell them that.

Originally Posted by Tiller5 
I smell a plastic Gorgon on the horizon, if Destris' musings are to be translated in such a manner...

Cookie for Tiller5!

Originally Posted by swordwind 
Forge World hasnt finished releasing stuff for them. They'd be stupid to transfer the stuff they only just made in resin to plastic.

Again, see above.

Now then, I will give you guys a small basis of info for you to discuss:

The Gorgon model has already been scanned, and has been approved to be a plastic. This will probably be released alongside the plastic DKoK.

The release is still a good while off yet, 2-3 years are the general estimates from my sources.

The plastic models will be simplified versions of the FW models, so I recommend still buying the much more detailed Forge World versions.

Only some of the Krieg line will be released in plastic, some things will stay as resin due to the plastic cap, and GW see little point in recasting them as metal.

Forge World have agreed to this, since their DKoK have already almost made back their development costs, been one of the most successful releases in the history of FW.

The plastic models are likely to be computerised scans of the resin Forge World models that have detail tinkered with and erased to make the models possible in plastic. This means they will be similar to the new Fantasy Night Goblins and Orc Warboss, some like the style, and some think it has a horrible habit of merging detail together on the sides of the model.

Originally Posted by philbrad 
Maybe not specifically DK's but what about the rumoured plastic 'greatcoat' IG rumour that has been around for a good while now???

The models will be centered around the DKoK, but there will be nothing on them defining them as that particular regiment, so they are in a way like generic Greatcoat guard.

Originally Posted by Norminator 
The only thing is, that rumour was around before DKoK even came out - so doesn't really fit with GW suddenly deciding to scan their sculpts to make them into plastic.

Yes, that was because the Forge World DKoK Project had been running for quite a while, and ever since quite a while back now if sales were high enough GW were going to make some of the range into plastic.

Originally Posted by Tiller5 
That suggests that super-heavy releases will not solely be restricted to Apocalypse

Correct

Originally Posted by gorgon 
So does that mean a new IG codex in 2-3 years?

Indeedy it does.

Originally Posted by dean 
Will the support weapons make it into plastic or will we have to get Thudd guns, Heavy morters and those tasty heavy gun carridges from FW. (I am tempted to get a Thudd anyway for history sake for my Cadians but they havent developed crew for them yet.)

I believe most of the Support Weapons will make the cut, yes.

Originally Posted by Shadowheart 
So, if people spend enough money on Forgeworld products, they won't have had to? I mean, it's cool that this stuff becomes more affordable and easily available, but some folks had to fork out a lot of cash to make it popular in the first place. Seems like they'd be less inclined to do that if it becomes common practice to transfer Forgeworld kits to plastic.[i]That said, if plastic Krieg look as much like the original Krieg as plastic Cadians look like the original Cadians then all we can count on is greatcoats and gasmasks. Which we were expecting anyway.[/i]

Hey, I personally will still get the FW stuff. With the GW computer scans there is always a horrid merging of detail on the sides, so it's the FW version all the way for me.

Originally Posted by Colonel Stagler 
this all comes out when iv spent loads of money on FW krieg, thats all i need to hear

As I said above, personally I would keep going with the FW stuff, so much more detail.

Originally Posted by Wolf Scout Ewan 
[i]Lets hope there will multiple head styles... [/i]

Now, you will be pleased..

Originally Posted by Hagraz 
will the box contain bits to make valllhalans and Death corps
could throw steel legion in there to

Don't know about Valhallans, but I'm pretty sure you will be able to make Steel Legion from the box.

Originally Posted by (Evil)Ash 
I agree with my fellow Dutchy, it'll be a hard blow for those who just got their army together. personally I don't like the rumour of the plastic Valkyie either (as I own a FW one) and the same would go for people who have bought a baneblade. I guess the next time I like a FW release I'll wait a year before I'll get it, just to make sure there isn't a plastic version on the horizon. I guess this will affect the popularity of FW

Right guys, I've seen the scans of the Forge World models set for plastic, incliding the Valkyrie. Hello join line right down the front, it looks revolting. I'm stocking up on the Forge World Valkyrie personally. The thing they really have managed to make work though is Baneblade, that looks nearly as good as the FW version!

Originally Posted by Killgore 
i would have placed a bet that GW legal would want this thread closed down as it might convince some people to stop buying DK from fw

 not me however, i still intend on enlarging my small DK force

its exselent news that super heavys are becomming more mainstream, mabey theres hope for the stomper in codex orks after all

As I've said above, I recommend no end getting the FW DKoK.

Also, I'm feeling generous: The plastic Stompa is going ahead.

Originally Posted by HiveFleetEzekial 
Wait a tick... No DKoK defining marks, etc? Like, no death's skull mask on their rebreathers?

Correct .

Originally Posted by The Dude 
So will they have Gas Masks, or not? A couple of variant heads, maybe?
I sit in anticipation.

See what I've said above, there will be variant heads, some with gas masks, some without.

Originally Posted by belize13 
he said the project was 2-3 YEARS out still. if they scan a DKoK model, then one would guess it will have a gasmask. however, they said they will have to drop alot of the detail to make it possible for plastic cast.

 so in 2-3 years, IG get new book, and new gasmask models with great coats. how you paint and play those models will likely define them as steel legion, DKoK, or valhallens.

FW will always be superior models, for a greater price. this is especially true for troops. large flat pannel, low detail vehicles may be more on par when scanned for plastics though.

Quoted for truth. Apart from the Valkyrie, they've made a bit of a cock up on that one, to make the fuselage into plastic it looks horrid with all the join lines..

Originally Posted by scrubout 
*looking around* I have a feeling GW is reading this while tapping their fingers and saying "Yesss, we will have them...". So lets keep talking this up shall we? I WILL purchase greatcoat guardsmen. One question remains, how much will detail be toned down?

You won't be disappointed Scrubout, I swear.

Oh, and the FW Krieg line will be continued in resin even after the plastics come out, the idea is for the Death Korps to be a resin variant of the Greatcoat Guard, so very DK specific things might not make it into plastic, such as the tank variants.

WOOHOO!

Thanks for sharing.  I would certainly love for all of that to be true.

...

...In 3 years there could be a reprinting of the entire 40k rule set couldn't there?

Honest thanks, but I wont hold my breath.

AWESOME! Wouldnt mind getting a plastic baneblade when it comes out

Don't forget: 10 Space Marine revamps, too.

Nice. Glad to see it coming.

I hope they don't copy the Dark Angels Codex and make it so IG can only buy maxed sized platoons if they want heavy weapons in them though... Actually, if they remove doctrines then it might be a negative for Guard players anyway.

Still IG needs some work and it'll be nice to see it adjusted a bit. A few points need to be shifted here on things like Sentinels.

Nice to hear that the Armageddon Steel Legion will be making a bit of a comeback. I always liked them.

So Orks are pushed back to 2010-11, then?

I guess I'm saying woohoo (uncapitalised) for the simple fact that we may be annihilated by space zombies or suffer in cruel icky pain by chinese nuclear supermen before we see this come to fruition.

But look on the bright side, we may finally get that Cathay army.

Posted By Jester on 02/27/2007 5:56 PM
So Orks are pushed back to 2010-11, then?

To be serious about it, no. The current and most valid schedule rumours place Orks between fall and the end of this year (edit: after rechecking, very end of this year or first half of 08 seems more likely), while it has been mentioned that the above projects are in the future but not the immediate future.

of course within 2-3 years GW plastic prices will be on par with FW resin.

You saying they already aren't?

By the way, here's the thread if you want to take a look:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71560

"This means they will be similar to the new Fantasy Night Goblins and Orc Warboss, some like the style, and some think it has a horrible habit of merging detail together on the sides of the model."

Yes I totally agree. When I saw the Orc and Goblin releases I was severely dissapointed.

GW may have their wonderful new toy of Computer scanning but the recent results have been pretty shabby. Large two peice kits that are flat, devoid of surface detail, and have elements that fuse and warp into other parts (for example neverending bags that become thighs).

In my opinion older plastics were much higher quality. Say 1999 - 2001. The older space marine srpues were nicer than the new "novelty" chapter specific ones", and old Fantasy sprues are better for example the perry platic empire troops. There have been more recent exceptions such as beastmen and Chaos Warriors but these were designed using the traditional methods.

I think Kyoto Sama that plastic production will never rival resin casting. And most definately not within a time frame of a few years. From photo grpahs its difficult to tell the quality of the DKOK. But beleive me hold a resin Death Corp Trooper next to a plastic Cadian/ Catachan or metal Vostroyan and they are miles apart. Miles.

The detail, the realisim, the anatomical features. Resin FW infantry are some much better in scale and really look like serious models. I used to love GW plastics don't get me wrong and they are some of the best plastics in the industry. But now I can't mix plastic troopers with my Resin ones because when put next to each other the plastic ones just look like toys.

Regardless of what GW does with plastic FW vehicles and infantry I will continue to buy the Resin versions because the quality is that much better. Also don't forget pricing. Currently FW trooper boxes/packs are roughly the same price as GW metal ones. Dkok 32 pounds for ten, metal GW vostroyans 25 pounds for ten. For an extra 7 pounds you get a much higher quality product as well.

If GW charge 35 pounds for a landraider that has absolutely no serious detail and very few options, then expect at least 60 or more for a baneblade. I wouldn't be surprised if GW tries to puch it for 100 pounds. I think the 50 pounds battleforce price tag is a bit too optamistic, and if it is true then i think the quality will be compramised to fit into that budget.

FW will always have a market though because they keep releasing amazing models, and their passion and dedication to the hobby is a million times more than GW. A 60 page codex with no background at all and a few naff pictures for codex imperial guard compared to huge hardback volumes with the history and background of a whole conflict or campaign (Taros, Anphelion). I know which I'd prefer to buy.

Sweet sweet updates...

Forge World at Conflict Scotland pretty much shot down all the rumours of plastic Death Korps of Krieg... BUT all that means for sure is that there will be no plastic DKoK. There appears to still be plastic greatcoat IG in the works which will be generic in the same vein as the Cadians. More from Destris:

Originally Posted by Brimstone
hmm... I'm in two minds what to do about this thread now, while plastic greatcoat IG may well come in the future (I have no information about that) I do know and have had information from at least three different reliable sources the plastic Death Korps are a non starter i.e. not happening.

I've heard that they are indeed coming, but you're the one in charge here, so do what you think is right.

Originally Posted by Steel_Legion Spoke to head FW man today, Plastic Kriegs are NOT coming he said, ever.

Which means the kit will probably be generic (Most Likely) or Steel Legion. Steve

EDIT: It's generic. The models have been based off the FW DKoK by the form of a computer scan but have then been quite extensively altered and all DKoK specific bits removed.

Apparently you will be able to make Steel Legion or Valhallan Lookalikes, and another Regiment I can't remember.

No, it wasn't DKoK. These will stay with FW.

To be honest, I think there's alot of iffy rumors out there right now. And not because I doubt the people posting them but more that GW seems to be at an impasse now as to their future plans. Would atleast explain the various and conflicting rumors.