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In my never-ending game of revision, I think I've finally found a list that is a decent take-all-comers force. I know that it leans heavily towards the more expensive Elite and HQ models, and that it is for the most part a footslogging army, but I don't see these as problems, since I'm getting a high mileage rating for the two command squads, the SB squad, and Terminators. That, coupled with my preferrably dense terrain maps, helps me out more often than not.

Please point out any weaknesses and or critical locations that require improvements. I'm also interested to hear how you all think this list would fare against similarly assaulty lists (Tyranids in particular). I also play against Iron Warriors, Death Guard, Tau, and Dark Eldar on a regular basis. Any suggestions on playing style or variations against those armies is greatly appreciated. And now, without further adieu:

Black Templars 3^rd Crusade

2500 Points (76 Models/3 Vehicles)

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HEADQUARTERS (19/0) – 888 pts

Marshal – 146 pts

Power Sword, Plasma Pistol, Terminator Honors, Iron Halo, Frag Grenades, Crusader Seals

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Command Squad (8) [Marshal] – 215 pts

Veteran Sergeant

                        Terminator Honors, Power Fist, Bolt Pistol

Company Champion

                        Power Axe, Combat Shield, Bolt Pistol

Initiate

                        Meltagun

Initiate (5)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW

Furious Charge Veteran Skill (x9) – 27 pts

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Master of Sanctity – 117 pts

            Crozius Arcanum, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades, Rosarius, Crusader Seals

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Command Squad (8) [Master of Sanctity] – 230 pts

            Veteran Sergeant

                        Terminator Honors, Lightning Claw Pair

            Company Champion

                        Power Sword, Combat Shield, Bolt Pistol

            Initiate

                        Meltagun

            Initiate (5)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW

            Furious Charge Veteran Skill (x9) – 27 pts

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Emperor’s Champion – 140 pts

            “Accept Any Challenge…”

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<h1>ELITES (13/1) – 613 pts </h1>

Sword Brethren Terminator Squad (5) – 270 pts

            Terminator

                        Assault Cannon, Chainfist

            Terminator

                        Cyclone Missile Launcher, Chainfist

            Terminator (3)

                        Storm Bolter, Power Fist

            Tank Hunters Veteran Skill (x5) – 15 pts

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Dreadnought – 143 pts

            Assault Cannon, Missile Launcher, Venerable, Extra Armor, Smoke Grenades

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Sword Brethren Veteran Squad (8) – 200 pts

            Veteran

                        Lightning Claw Pair, Frag Grenades

            Veteran

                        Power Sword, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades

            Veteran (6)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW, Frag Grenades

            Furious Charge Veteran Skill (x8)

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<h1>TROOPS (32/0) – 498 pts </h1>

Crusader Squad Alpha (16) – 233 pts

            Initiate

                        Power Fist, Bolt Pistol

            Initiate

                        Meltagun

            Initiates (6)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW

            Neophytes (8)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW

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Crusader Squad Beta (8) – 153 pts

            Initiate

                        Power Fist, Bolt Pistol

            Initiate

                        Meltagun

            Initiates (6)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW

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Crusader Squad Gamma (8) – 112 pts

            Initiate

                        Missile Launcher

            Initiate

                        Plasma Gun

            Initiates (4)

                        Bolter

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FAST ATTACK (12/2) – 501 pts

Assault Squad (8) – 201 pts

            Initiate

                        Power Fist, Bolt Pistol, Frag Grenades

            Initiate (2)

                        Plasma Pistol, CCW, Frag Grenades

            Initiate (5)

                        Bolt Pistol, CCW, Frag Grenades

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Land Speeder Squadron (2) – 170 pts

            Land Speeder Typhoon (2)

                        Multi-Melta

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Attack Bike Squadron (2) – 130 pts

            Attack Bikes (2)

                        Multi-Melta

Thanks again in advance for any help you can give me.

CK

Any help at all? I'm due for a game against some Imperial Guard pretty soon, and would appreciate any tactical advice from all of you talentic generals out there.

It looks a solid list against most of those armies but I'd be concerned about the amount of points tied up in HQ and Elite.

You could fit a whole lot more marines in if you trimmed them down a bit.

Another thing, I always put melta bombs on my assault troops. Makes them much more versatile.

I'm glad you play on a dense terrrain board otherwise you could get shot to sh*t on the way in.

Against nids, it would depend on the lists config. Is it horde, 'zilla or mix.

I don't think it's fare too well against horde (not enough to trim it down before it reaches you) or 'zilla (most BT list would struggle against them).

Hope this helps a bit.

Thanks for the help Bartius. My friend's Tyranid list is mostly horde, but he usually is packing a Flyrant and a Choppafex. I've done somewhat decently against him in the past, but that was because he didn't really know what he was doing. Now that he and I are both pretty good with our armies, and have had the time to flesh them out and get a feel for how they play, I'm worried that he'll be rocking me.

I agree about the Melta Bombs - if I ever get around to upgrading them to a 3000 points list, I plan to only take more regular troops, Meltabombs on my Assault Marines, Crusader Seals on my shooty Crusader Squad (which is only 6 Marines, btw), and maybe a couple of drop pods.

Thanks again.
CK