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Gameplay video tomorrow should help ease things. I'm just happy about the Crusher still

They have sculpts for the Warriors and Praetorian, just are awaiting approval to show them. This is a good thing- the first glimpse of the PredAlien was horrid, the latest sculpt is absolutely ace!

Also he took a quick screenshot in the comments to show that he's still editing the video, they were removing some unapproved parts apparently, before they post it later today:



And this comment makes me VERY happy:

Prodos wrote:@Prodos
Could you come up with ideas or pledges for those of us looking at the wargame aspect?

@william, hmm there is one "looking good there,boss!", we will add 2 more after the Wargame book is "unlocked".

Since I'm here for the wargaming part, a pledge with just the hardback book and add-ons, no board game, would be most welcome! At 125 pounds or a hair higher so that it benefits from that stretch goal would be best

They're working on the video, it'll be up today... just be patient!


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 Hellfury wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
Hellfury.. that's all well and good, but consider that BrookeM survived for months, and that was with no weapons and no training?

See? This at least has style. Thanks Pacific. It deserves an exalt.

Agreed . And your points are totally valid Hellfury / Jake, hopefully the forthcoming update addresses some of them. But the humor is appreciated, too

185K and 1200 backers both achieved!

Manchu wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
I'm thinking of waiting for the retail version

Gotta say, this has also been on my mind since watching the vid.

If you're more interested in the basic board game, and not the resin miniatures, this is probably the best path to take.

But as Jake says, for those who want resin minis this campaign makes sense. People have long been wishing for sweet models from this franchise, and on that part Prodos seems to be able to deliver (given their Warzone results thus far, although those are still coming in). The board game is more of an unknown, so I can understand folks who were interested in it only for that aspect, and not the models, wanting to wait.

I also wonder if they could have done better just marketing it as a wargame using the Warzone rules and sweet resin models. They're trying to strike a balance for both crowds, and that's a hard balance to make. But I'm in the wargaming crowd, and will be upping to a wargaming pledge with hardback rulebook most likely if they add one, so the board game issues don't really affect me personally (although I understand they affect a lot of others, particularly with how this was initially marketed).

Update:

Update #14
Google Hangout - 18th November Q&A with Prodos Games

Hi all, just quick update, we will conduct a Q&A through Google Hangout at 19.30 GMT (UK),

(14.30 EST) we will link the Google Hangout in the comment section of this update.

Here is a CONCEPT card for the Predator, with Rules (WIP) ,the card is 140mm x 100mm



and Back:



and as requested some samples of hi res of board game corridors, more with next update:

Guys, for those with valid criticisms of this campaign:

I've had 2 suggestions to Prodos so far, and they have answered, and taken my feedback on both of them! The first, was for the 10-pound pledge level to double as shipping cost for international backers (they updated to say that yes, it did). The second, was to add a pledge level without the board game for wargamers. They did this.

For those of you who seriously care about the campaign- contact Prodos via the "contact us" button on Kickstarter. They will respond in all likelihood, and actually listen. Not only for me, but for others, they have done this.

The frustrating part is that valid criticism like Hellfury's gets drowned out in the noise of folks just piling on. Constructive feedback gets taken- I have successfully done so twice now. Just randomly complaining won't get much done, although you of course have that right on a forum. But, if you actually want to affect the campaign, there is opportunity to do so- again, I've done it twice.

 GrimDork wrote:
That other kickstarter does look kinda neat, too bad I don't have an AvP pledge to drop to go spend on it

Yes, too bad . Hopefully, the whole "I'll drop my pledge!" crowd finds other things to pay attention to. I forgot how big campaigns like this tend to draw folks like that, as I'm usually involved in smaller ones.

Despite the ruckus, it does seem Prodos listened to the feedback (setting up a Google Chat for tomorrow which is open to everyone, showing a clear picture of the board with a grid) and the pledge total has almost recovered to 185K. They also said in the comments that that goal was already unlocked since it was passed earlier, which is always nice.

Basically, there is opportunity to affect this campaign, and the creators do listen, so if you have feedback contacting them (as mentioned earlier) actually works really well, and the Google Chat tomorrow is probably an even better opportunity. Even just posting in the comments, if you are a backer, can get things done- that's how I got more attention on the lack of a wargaming pledge, for instance, even though I think they were already addressing it from my message to them.

As someone interested in this for wargaming, I'll be hoping they add a rulebook plus models pledge level like Isoulle said on the last page here. They have posted in the comments that they plan to actually add 2 more wargaming pledge levels when the rulebook unlocks, so I hope the rulebook is the next stretch goal after the Crusher

I'm happy with resin, but folks who are used to paying PVC prices (for lower quality, of course) may not be. Polystyrene (hard plastic) is hard to sculpt for, and while WWX and Dreamforge are success stories, Mantic's latest efforts show the challenges it can pose.

Prodos are a resin company, so it makes sense that they're using resin. Anything else would be a shot in the dark / something they'd never produced in before (as will the longer lead time retail board game with simpler plastic models).

I'm here for figures, too. And they've raised 185K Pounds ($300K?) halfway through a short campaign. Hardly a disaster despite the talk making it out otherwise! If folks want to wait, by all means, wait. I'm here for high quality resin Aliens, and that's what's being offered. Prodos has the license, like it or not, and that's what they do. Not to everyone's tastes, but certainly to mine . I want quality figures over quantity, and that's what's being offered here. Plenty of folks like it, those who don't can get single piece plastic or the like at retail. No one is forced to pledge- just wait if you want a basic board game. But Prodos has the license, so there's no going back in that regard! For me, it's Aliens in high quality resin, and that's a dream come true

That's totally fine warboss, of course . You can also contact them via the link under their name on KS, or in the Google Chat tomorrow, if you choose

And the bar for success is interesting in these. $300K raised in 10 days is six times Zombicide 1 at this point, over twice Sedition Wars, etc.

$300K might not be what people think is good enough for the franchise, but it's a lot. No way this is getting rebooted fellas, if anything not going into the millions means they'll actually deliver on time, something I would really like for a change! It doesn't need to be millions to be a success. Kingdom Death is awesome, but will be very late... for hand cast resin models, having the total be a bit lower makes it easier to get me my resin Alien goodness . You guys can officially be jealous then . I'll take pics though, I promise

 Forlorn wrote:
Did we make the Update 12 goal at 170k?

This is just awaiting one of the creator's wife to give birth as it was tied to that as a gift. Hoping for a pic of the happy family to go with it

 Kroothawk wrote:
I am happy with the resin miniatures so far, boardgame is a nice bonus, I will up my pledge at the end to include the resin terrain. Currently 300k US$ is a lot of money for a 3 person company. And if 1200 people want to buy the more expensive Deluxe boardgame, I see no problem for the cheaper retail version with single piece plastic miniatures.
There I said it.

Agreed, Kroot.

Those pining for plastic? Wait for retail. It'll be a longer wait, and likely Zombicide like minis. These guys aren't GW and polystyrene is still a pipe dream for most company's not in WGF's huge queue.

Would be great to talk about the campaign and developments, if we could interject such discussion at some point here

There is a Warzone thread in the Misc. Games subforum with some initial reviews (very positive) and pics. On a phone atm but will link to later.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
There is a Warzone thread in the Misc. Games subforum with some initial reviews (very positive) and pics. On a phone atm but will link to later.

Got you covered. I also filtered the thread based upon Ronin_eX as he did a review of the goodies he had.

Thanks Kan . And Ronin is the one who has posted the best reviews so far, so that is a good way to sort it . His own pics (which I believe have some conversions to the base figures done) is at the bottom of that page you linked to.

If anyone wants real info, btw, just scroll through Prodos' comments (as from their profile page you can see only theirs), they've provided a lot in there!

http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/513277403/comments

Google hangout is tonight which should give even more answers. Apparently they had to remove 75% of the video since they were still waiting for approval on much of it. Fox not responding quickly is part of the reason there seems to be a delay- where Prodos can address things quickly in the comments, but not make something "official" until it gets run up the chain. They are having an open gameplay at one of their stores and have said people are welcome to record it / etc, likely then it's not their fault the info gets out . So hopefully someone does that, as apparently the game is already playable and they will be doing so at the store... with 100 aliens!

People are currently discussing if the Queen is on a 120mm base as it seems might've been mentioned in the interview that was posted earlier in the thread from Youtube. Hopefully someone gets confirmation on that tonight... that would be massive

I think the PredAlien was approved before the project started?

And you're right MDS of course, but I've decided that, since they've shown willingness to lower stretch goals (Crusher only 5K beyond the previous stretch) all will likely be unlocked anyway, and I'd rather have the campaign be a bit smaller so they can actually deliver on it. Hand cast resin takes a while to make models with, so this is actually a good thing in a way, imo!

I've been a part of too many campaigns that have blown up and then been delayed by 6 months, a year, or more. Would love to avoid that here.

And I agree Hellfury, Queen sounds so big that it might not be as usable for the board game. Or maybe they've thought of that and have a workaround (non-egg-sack version?). But I'm pretty stoked for a gigantic, 120mm base Queen, personally

Live Q&A going on now:

Prodos wrote:Project Update #15: AVP Q&A Youtube Stream
Posted by Prodos Games Ltd

http://youtu.be/4DHtiHIHqos

Sneak peak of Warrior render at 14:00 minutes in . Here's a composite image I made of it:



And a nice single angle of it:



You're welcome

Edit: Warriors are also 37mm tall! While marines are 28mm (scale, so not sure if that is to the eyes or head, etc).

I definitely think it's the Warrior! Would be interesting to get other's thoughts.

Hope the folks who were interested actually watched the video, it addressed Many questions people had, and as many as they could answer while they were being asked live

Quoting these over to the new page:

 DaveC wrote:
No egg sack for the Queen, Powerloader is in, they are looking to add another weapons sprue for the marines. No civilians during KS but will be done later, possible Lieutenant later. They are looking at adding some of the Heroes from the old AvP game they just need final permission. Clear resin Predators. The board sections should be comparible to Space Hulk when finished 4mm thick.

RiTides they didn't identify that as the warrior (just said guess what) the head crest looks more Praetorian to me.

 RiTides wrote:
Live Q&A going on now:

Prodos wrote:Project Update #15: AVP Q&A Youtube Stream
Posted by Prodos Games Ltd

http://youtu.be/4DHtiHIHqos

Sneak peak of Warrior render at 14:00 minutes in . Here's a composite image I made of it:



And a nice single angle of it:



You're welcome

Edit: Warriors are also 37mm tall! While marines are 28mm (scale, so not sure if that is to the eyes or head, etc).

Huh! You guys are probably right. In that case, I assume the base it is on is a bigger one (maybe a 40mm circle? since they said the Praetorian is 80mm high).

The base is throwing the scale off in my mind, but if that's a 40mm circle then this makes a lot more sense

Wish we could see the Warriors, though! I guess they're not allowed to show anything officially until approval (they talked about this in the video, too) but sneak peaks might not really count

Manchu wrote:
Aside from the Beserker, are there any other KS-exclusive models?

There's a group of entries in the FAQ on the main KS page that talk about related points:

AvP FAQ wrote:When will the retail (plastic) version of AVP Board Game be released?
Late 2014

Will the deluxe version be available after KS?
No it is a KS exclusive version

Will the resin models in the main box set be available later?
Not in the Box Set. We may sell some of them as expansion sets later, but which and when is to be defined. It won't be before early 2015.

I put all 3 of those together to give context. The Berserker is the only truly exclusive model (you can't even add on copies of it). But when the resin models from the main box will be available is unknown at this point. The other resin "add-ons" I would think will definitely be available, but I can see why they'd be unsure if they'll have resin facehuggers in the future, for example, if they have single-piece plastic ones coming out (i.e. they'd be competing with themselves at that point, or it might be a redundant product, even if it is higher quality).

While that doesn't necessarily mean the render had a 50mm circle under it (since they use those bases with a large lip on them, anyway, and so might not model them with the lip in place) that does help, thanks

 Medium of Death wrote:
It's quite interesting that they've made it so interchangable with Warzone, I think that's a good idea in the long run.

Agreed! Also, my local board game geek friend watched the whole Q&A and said it put his mind much more at ease / he is much more confident in backing things now. The limit to what Prodos has been allowed to reveal on the KS page has made it hard to tell how far along they really are, but apparently they can reveal much more "off the cuff" in these live streams. Very glad to hear this was his take on it as he's much more of a board gamer than I am

Bob- note the language you're talking about was referring to "box contents". The "box contents" of this are going to be produced in plastic, but it'll be a longer lead time and they'll be single piece.

The add-ons that have been unlocked are not going to be made in plastic from what I have seen, so those would still be resin later. As would later "add-ons".

The recovery today was actually quite nice for the pledge amount, although a signifcant increase in backers will be needed to raise another 100K and get to the Queen. I think that should be pretty easy with the final boost, though- here's hoping

Those stretches look quite nice. Freebies including: an extra 10 pounds of add-ons for everybody, an extra 10 pounds if we hit 2000 backers, and a free Praetorian! These all look to be applicable to all pledge levels, which is of course great

And every "item" but the Queen is actually unlocked at 250K. Looking forward to hearing more about the wargaming rulebook (next stretch) and seeing the 2 pledge levels they plan to add for wargamers.

Manchu wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
And it kind of reminds me of how Mars Attacks went.

MA had quite a but more money at the similar mark in the funding period (or even just on the same day in), which is rather notable considering the great disparity in the licenses.

It had about $100K more this many days in (around $400K) and ended up tapering and holding around $450K for quite a while.

I could see this campaign holding around $325K (200K Pounds, which it's only around 10K short of) for a while, before boosting up to unlock the Queen towards the end. It only needs to get to around $470K to unlock the Queen, and I think this should definitely be able to raise a half million, even in resin as more of a boutique item.

But it's not "boutique" to me as a wargamer as I'm used to these prices for high quality resin- or even much higher, as my recent FW order still indicates! With the next stretch after the Crusher being the wargaming rulebook, I think a different crowd may get involved to help the middle of the campaign (which will be shorter anyway, since this is a shorter campaign) before the boost that the end will most likely bring.

 Yonan wrote:
Restic isn't a perfect material

Goodness, you can say that again. I am soooooooooooo glad that a resin company got the license. If it does well, maybe we'll see "real" polystyrene plastic models one day. But I have no desire to deal with restic ever again, or at least any more than I have to.

People pay insane prices for FW for the IP, but also because the detail is insane (when you get a good cast, which Prodos seem to be good at). These models in resin will be worth the price, to me... and obviously to 1200 or so others as well, so far

I disagree about that (as what's the difference between trying to match an Aliens look versus concept art for something else?), but we're getting kind of far afield now! I also don't dispute that restic can reach a wider audience- cheaper models result in a bigger pool of people willing to chip in funds.

I'm just saying there's definitely a market for well cast resin, and I for one am glad to pay the difference in price for (what I see as) a substantial difference in quality between hand cast resin like Forgeworld, Kingdom Death's direct order models, and Prodos, versus something like Privateer Press / Mantic / etc casts done in restic. Definitely not wanting to pick on Mantic here- I backed Mars Attacks, after all! It's just a different material for a different purpose.

That's a very fair point Manchu, although the wait is projected to be 6 months and not a year... although we all know how Kickstarters tend to slip a bit in delivery dates.

Update time!

Update #16 Nov 19, 2013
£210 Stretch Goal

The £210k stretch goal is the add on for a hardback version of the Board and Wargame Rules. If unlocked this product will be a full colour and lush document of approximately 150 pages for £25.



Concept

We have now passed the £190k Stretch Goal and so can add-on the Alien Crusher:



And here is the update of the table showing all the pledge levels and what is so far unlocked. The Prodos baby hasn't yet arrived, but when it does each pledger of 'We're in the Pipe' and above will additionally get £10 more of add-ons.



And we announce all the further Stretch Goals: (I'm spoilering this since it was posted on the last page)

Spoiler:

Rulebook looks sweet! Looking forward to their adding 2 wargaming pledge levels once it unlocks

Also, there are two separate £10 add-on bonuses coming shortly- one, waiting on the creator's baby to be born and given to all backers as a "thank you" gift. The other, at 200K. So that's £20 of add-ons that everyone will be getting for free. Pretty sweet! Neither one is in the Free Add-Ons chart above yet, of course, since the criteria for neither has quite been yet (the baby hasn't arrived, and we haven't hit 200K yet).