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Well my question is quite simple is a major jet bike force still viable, or ihas it fallen to the way side for more of a combined force of wraith lords and dark reapers being circled by lots of bikes and wave serpents?
   
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Ive seen it done. You can use the warlock unit on jetbikes full of singing spears and coated in fortune for trashing almost anything. At 1k its pretty much unbeatable. Bigger than that you do kind of need more than just the singing spears, heavy skimmers or like you said wraithlords and other land based heavy weaponry.

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Its not only viable, but it is better than it ever was (that is, if you didnt use vyper spam).

The nice thing is, even though falons are fluffy for saim hann, they arent neccessary to make them good, but it does make them better than otherwise. (I am somewhat unconventional and use warwalkers, because people view falcons as cheesy)

jetbike farseer/warlocks, shining spears, cheap troops, are still key elements as always, they just got better.

   
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Agree with Hellfury. The only viable list for Saim-Hann before was the lame gimmicky all-Vyper spam. Now you actually have affordable jetbikes, considerably improved Shining Spears, jetbike warlocks and farseers are good, the Autarch is quite nice (and his best builds are on jetbike anyway), and you have more access to grav tanks than the old craftworld list. Saim-Hann is MUCH better off now than they have been at any time since 1998.

Citadel, where do you play?  Everywhere I see, Wave Serpents and Wraithlords are only moderately popular, and Reapers haven't been popular since the death of screening in 4th edition three years ago.


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If I am not mistaken, Citadel's numbers after his name are the zip code for medford oregon.

I used to live and game there, playing at the comics shop downtown. Thats where I found my first copy of rogue trader....

Anyways, not trying to jump in for you, but I am kinda curious if citadel is living in medford as well.

   
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Yes, I currently live in Medford affectionately nicknamed Deadford Boregon, unfortunately the comic store you refer to was closed down so a few friends of mine started a gaming store in Medford, rotine tournaments of 6 to 12 players.
   
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i saw a saimhann list brutally take down 2 opponents on saturday...

it was 5 squads of jetbikes
2 vypers
2 falcons
2 shining spear squads
1 three pack of walkers
and 1 squad of warpsiders (who actually did little to nothing in both games)
and a farseer running around on foot (didn't he look out of place!)

he deployed in the middle and utterly wiped out the weakest flanks of his opponents
i was impressed with the list

i hinted that he should run his farseer on a jetbike...maybe even 2 of them to fit in better with his theme

it's one list i would utterly dread to fight with one of my gaunt heavy bug lists...soooooo many shots you couldn't hide from
   
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Posted By citadel97501 on 05/13/2007 11:25 AM
Yes, I currently live in Medford affectionately nicknamed Deadford Boregon, unfortunately the comic store you refer to was closed down so a few friends of mine started a gaming store in Medford, rotine tournaments of 6 to 12 players.
I see 17 years away hasnt changed the nick name of deadford. I am really saddened that Beyond Comics went out of business. But then again, I damn the owner who used to be my next door neighbor for introducing me to rogue trader in the first place.
That place did last almost 20 years though. I dont know if it was the same owner, but if it was, you have to give him credit for keeping it around for that long.

Is one of the new owners a guy who used to run around here on dakka by the name of  "Rabid Sister"?

Posted By GimpMaster on 05/13/2007 4:18 PM

and a farseer running around on foot (didn't he look out of place!)

I would be willing to bet that it was an eldrad stand in. Eldrad is justy nasty in general, but divination redeploying very fast units and warwalkers is some kind of nuts.

I am using the following for my 1500 saim hann list with some very decent results. The more I play, the more I am winning with it. Even when opponents know what is coming, it still gives them fits.

Eldrad

1 farseer on jetbike with Singing spear, spirit stones and doom, mind war.

4 warlocks on jetbikes with Singing Spears, 1 enhance, 1 embolden, 2 destructors

2 squads of 3 jetbikes each squad equipped with 1 shuricannon

1 squad of 5 shining spears with kitted out exarch

1 vyper with 2 shuricannons and spirit stones

2 squads of 3  warwalkers equipped with 2 scasers each

1 support weapon platform team with 2 vibrocannons.

Model count is extremely light, with 28 models if you dont count the vibrocannon platforms. Comes in to 1499 pts.

I deploy the warwalkers as push backs, to force the opponent to react to their deployement. This is key, because I know i will be able to redeploy a minimum of 2 units because of divination so i always choose to do this with the walkers as it is my source for the most firepower. Between the divination redeploy and the scout move, I am able to make good use of them in the early game. They dont usually last past 4th turn, but I almost always get around 720 pts of vps from their kills before they die (because of eldrad hanging out and making them just shine as bright as the sun with his powers). Warwalkers seem odd, but I get better results from them personally than i do with falcons, who seem made to order for VP denial. I dont want denial, I want massacre.

The vibrocannons are my main armor threat until my warlocks and shining spears get into better position to be threatening, generally atleast keeping enemy armor from being able to shoot at the barest minimum. They also deal with horde armies in a somewhat decent capacity if i can get the correct angle in deployment.

Just FYI though, I dont see this army doing well in anything other than COD, which is the setting that this army list is always played in.

I want to give a jetbike autarch a try, as well as mosre numbers in my list from things like dire avengers and maybe (non cheese use) swooping hawks. Or maybe more gaurdian jetbike squads, but I am dreading spending the dough on them, as I think $15 retail a pop is insane. The money might be better spent on vypers. Both vypers equipped with shuricannons and jetbikes equipped with shuricannons have the same utility, except jetbikes have better survivability, while vypers get more offensive output and cheaper monetarily to boot.

   
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What were the jetbike squads like? 3 guys & a shurikannon? Warlock with spear?

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i believe they were all 5 man squads (Each with a cannon)

it was a LOT of jetbikes...
i have no idea what the warlock carried...he was proxied (different models each game too...heh was a dire avenger exarch in the first game...maugen ra in the second)

i know the farseer did have guide...dunno about doom though
   
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Sure are. Anything with Falcons thrown in for Eldar are viable.
   
 
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