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I'd repost the links but there's about 20 and credit should go to the original poster over on the confrontation boards.

But enjoy some gorgeous plastic Griffon calvary!

Why can't GW make proper horses like that?

Because they're not french

Nice horsies. And they look very similar to the PP khador cav.

That red block stuff , is great! Can wait to get my hands on some fo that stuff. Wow

Leave it to Rackam to get the reins on the horses right too, and by that I mean doing them as separate pieces. Take note GW, and quit with the solid plastic hunks under the chins of your horse heads between the reins!!! > Very nice stuff!!!

Hum. Damn... I think I'm going to finally spend some money on Confrontation miniatures. Anyone know how much these'll sell for? Especially those :drools: knights...

Keep in mind that the new Rackham plastics will be pre-painted...

Posted By Alpharius on 05/29/2007 5:14 AM
Keep in mind that the new Rackham plastics will be pre-painted...

Oh. Bloody Hell, then. Keep 'em.

Posted By Destrado on 05/29/2007 5:31 AM

Posted By Alpharius on 05/29/2007 5:14 AM
Keep in mind that the new Rackham plastics will be pre-painted...

Oh. Bloody Hell, then. Keep 'em.

If you were planning on painting them in the first place, why should that matter?

You can always re-paint the pre-paint.

Exactly. Get out your can of primer, spray, and repaint. Anyone who says that is a difficult endeavor or that the existing paint needs to be stripped speaks out of purest ignorance and has no knowledge of what it's like to work with Rackham's pre-painted models.

If the prepaints aren't terribly expensive compared to bare metal, that would make me a heck of alot more inclined to actually play the game as I know I have a force that will look nice on the table and can detail it up at my leisure!

I don't understand this visceral, irrational anti-prepaint attitude. I have made crappy rubber Clix look better than many other's metal figs. It has alot more to do with your ability as a painter and ability to work with different mediums than anything, I think.

wow...just...wow

Posted By jmurph on 05/29/2007 6:54 AM
I don't understand this visceral, irrational anti-prepaint attitude.

Snobbery.

Posted By Caern on 05/29/2007 6:17 AM
Exactly. Get out your can of primer, spray, and repaint. Anyone who says that is a difficult endeavor or that the existing paint needs to be stripped speaks out of purest ignorance and has no knowledge of what it's like to work with Rackham's pre-painted models.

have you actually painted over their pre-painted models? if so, which models have you done (show some pics please) and let us know which primer you used in the process. I would like to know how you managed..

Posted By two heads talking on 05/29/2007 7:48 AM

have you actually painted over their pre-painted models? if so, which models have you done (show some pics please) and let us know which primer you used in the process. I would like to know how you managed..

Of course. If I hadn't, I'd be guilty of the same ignorance I just spoke about. I used GW spray paint (white), which isn't even a real primer, and it stuck like glue. You should inspect the model for mold lines first though. Then simply paint as normal. I don't have a digital camera, so I suggest you just go visit AT-43's own Workshop forum here http://en-forum.at-43.com/viewforum.php?f=10

Or to skip straight to someone who has repainted a model, here is one example http://en-forum.at-43.com/viewtopic.php?t=694

 

The problem is,.. that the figs are quite a bit more expensive than unpainted. At-43 at least has that there were never any prepaints, so people don't have their own schemes.

My group talked about Confrontation this weekend, and most of our armies aren't painted in the normal Confrontation schemes. So now we will have to pay a premium to buy prepainted plastic figs to repaint in our forces. It was a hearty "no thank you" from us all. It may work for some people, but for us it will kill it. We will still buy a few unpainted metal hero models, but it is pretty much done here.

At-43 is 6 men for $26 at the shop, Just not worth it in our opinion if the plastic Confrontation figs are even near that. Which it is, just our opinion.

Fair enough. But in my opinion you're paying for the high quality Rackham minis. It does suck that you're paying a bit more but they have to account for the non-random aspect financially. With random minis people buy cases to find that special one, right? That justifies larger production runs and brings the overall cost down.

as long as a person doesn't care that anyone else who buys the minis will have the same looking army as him, it's ok. Personally I like to make my own colorschemes. Painting my own minis,even if they are of a less quality paint job is much more rewarding to me than owning someone elses paintjob. it's like owning underwear that belonged to someone else before you.. it's just wrong.. In my not so humble opinion anyways.

Posted By jmurph on 05/29/2007 6:54 AM
If the prepaints aren't terribly expensive compared to bare metal, that would make me a heck of alot more inclined to actually play the game as I know I have a force that will look nice on the table and can detail it up at my leisure!

I don't understand this visceral, irrational anti-prepaint attitude. I have made crappy rubber Clix look better than many other's metal figs. It has alot more to do with your ability as a painter and ability to work with different mediums than anything, I think.

Addressing your points: why would you call it irrational if I didn't state my reasons? I simply dislike having to pay more for a miniature that's already painted. Sorry if I find it wrong. I actually like to buy my models in sprues (call it habit), assemble some parts, paint, finish assembling the whole model. I wouldn't know about "over-coating" pre-paints, as I've never tried it, but I wouldn't like to clog a miniature's detail with paint, so I'm a bit skeptical about sinking a few euros on something that can go so awesomely bad. (BTW, the links about the Workshop didn't work :p ). And just to clear it up, are these of the same "rubbery" plastic the AT-43 troops are?

Sorry if my preferences somehow offended some members, by the way.

I seriously cannot wait for this dude:

http://www.massimilianobussi.com/gencon/DSCN1191.jpg

Posted By Destrado on 05/29/2007 11:25 AM
(BTW, the links about the Workshop didn't work :p

Yes, they do, they are functional links. If they are not working for you, you may have browser compatability issues, or the site may be temporarily busy. Try again later.

Exactly. While an exceptional piece may be impressive for display purposes or for just holding in your hands and admiring up close, you never really feel the same kind of intimate connection with it. Wait, what are we talking about?

Posted By Caern on 05/29/2007 12:19 PM

Yes, they do, they are functional links. If they are not working for you, you may have browser compatability issues, or the site may be temporarily busy. Try again later.

Well, they just did, and I didn't clean the cache or change browser. Probably down like you said.

Anyway, thanks for the links, these look interesting. And they did mention the rubbery plastic, why's that? Packaging, since the plastic's not on a sprue, thus reducing the amount of broken miniatures? I don't know why, but it just doesn't feel right. Oh well, I might pick up a few of them if I ever find them around my area. The game might be interesting, too

Yeah, my only issue is you're paying extra because they're prepainted.

So paying for the prepaint kinda hurts.

Still thinking about those Karmans, though!

Talked to a PP-loving friend tonight. He mentioned that a lot of Confrontation players had started to show interest in PP.
They had reacted on the prepainted future of Rackam and brought forward a serious issue:

With prepaints playing at turnaments will collapse
- this as you are bound to encounter armies with the *exact same paintjob* as your own army (unless you repaint)...
-"Hey, is that my mini fleeing or is it your mini advancing??"

Well, you could always do your bases differently. That would be an easy solution.

I'm thinking that I'll pick up a faction in AT-43. The rules are nice, the mini's aren't bad (and I love the terrain so far) so it'd be pretty easy to pick up a small force. It won't be *another* freakin army to paint.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

Posted By Ozymandias on 05/29/2007 3:39 PM

I'm thinking that I'll pick up a faction in AT-43. The rules are nice, the mini's aren't bad (and I love the terrain so far) so it'd be pretty easy to pick up a small force. It won't be *another* freakin army to paint.

That's my logic- I just can't keep up with all my purchases on the painting table

Wait, what? Primer's not paint?

Posted By Toreador on 05/30/2007 1:46 PM
Wait, what? Primer's not paint?

I take it this is in response to me where I said that priming them worked well even when I used GW spray paint (not a primer) as the priming coat.

I don't know if I should elaborate because it's getting off topic but GW spray paint is not primer, and primers are not paints, per se. Depends how you define primer. Primer in it's most simple definition is simply the first coat. In terms of constructing good paintings though, and as far as automotive painters, home painters, artists, and basically anyone who paints for a living and needs to know their tools in any capacity will tell you though it's not just a nice white coat to go underneath later stuff. It's a specially formulated layer designed to give anything going on top of it good adhesion (which is relatively unimportant in miniatures since they aren't handled very roughly and are small scale)

There are a few different types of primers out there (by types I do not mean brands, since there are dozens or hundreds, but rather basic formulations), but all of them have a lot more tooth than simple paint. That doesn't mean they're gritty and rough, but if you run your finger over an area covered with primer, you'll feel a lot of drag. If you're ever browsing an art supply store and you see something called 'gesso' (whether it be true, old school gesso or modern acrylic primers that just borrow the word), that's primer.

GW spray paint isn't a primer at all, it's just white/black paint. It works so darned well on their plastic figs especially though because the plastic used on GW products and Rackham for that matter is styrene, and the aerosol formulation bites into styrene, which is why they tell you never to spray it on foam (it slowly eats foam). It literally bites into and melts the denser, less vulnerable styrene of an actual miniature on a very fine scale. I know most people think of styrene balls from craft shops when they hear that, which is also styrene, just at a much lower density.