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Hey everyone,

Im trying to get back into the game after beeing away for about 5 years. I figured that id join a local tournament with some friends
The tournament is 750 points, and i think its all standard missions.
Ive been an avid collector of 40k, and i have 2 large armies to choose from: I can go with either space wolves or eldar for my army.
This is what ive come up with so far:

Eldar:

1 Falcon: vectored,holo,stones,sur.cannon (185)
10 Dire avengers: exarch, bladestorm, dual cats (152)
6 fire dragons: exarch, dragonsbreath, tankhunters (120)
1 Farseer: doom, guide, spiritstones, withnessing (130)

This leaves me with one troop choice to fill and 163 points left..
the problem is, my eldar army was an ulthwe army, so i have loads of guardians(can be converted to avenges), and only a few aspect warriors (swooping hawks and fire dragons). I also dont own any wave serpents, although it might be possible to buy one.
So i have no idea what to do with my remaining points, and if i should change my current army.

For my space wolves i even have less of an idea what to field, except that assaulting isnt that great anymore (from what ive been told)

any tips? im having a nervous breakdown!

1st, drop runes of witnessing, they increase your chance of a Perils attack, and you get a non-rerollable 3+ save, or your toast (S6 - instant kill)

2nd, what are you guiding?

3rd, the Dragons DON'T need Tankhunters, is 8 + 2d6 isnt gonna cut it, 9 + 2d6 won't do much better! also drop the flamer, the only time that will be handy is if the rest of the unit aren't gonna help to much, in which case its still a waste!

If you do as i suggested that leaves you with 185 points remaining.

I would personally drop guide for 2 squads of 5 rangers. This means you can pin low Ld units, or hurt heavily armoured units. For rangers, Doom is a MUST, Guide, a definate no-no.

Thanks!
Good point on the tank hunters
I was going to guide the dire avengers while dooming their enemies. Should i still keep them, or throw them out for a wraithlord with bl or something?

Falcons are always a safe choice, but why the shuricannon? You're already kitting it out for survivability, so when it loses the pulse laser (which is quite likely), you want to have something else that can shoot decently. Go for a scatter laser. I take an extra shuricannon as well (a total of 7 S6 shots at 24" is fun), but that's probaby just a matter of preference. That will bump the cost up to 205 pts, but at such a low points value game, it will be a big challenge for your opponent to get those points.

The FDs don't just not need Tank Hunters, they don't need the Exarch at all. Keep them cheap at 96 pts for 6 and expect them to die after killing their target (and be pleasantly surprised if they live).

Guiding the DAs while Dooming the target is quite likely to be overkill. Not many MEq (let alone GEq!) units will live through a Bladestorm (or even normal shooting) + Ranger fire (as per 01777's suggestion) while Doomed.

I would note, though, that if you've been fielding a Guardian-heavy Ulthwe army in 3rd ed, there's no reason not to continue doing so in 4th. Okay, not having Black Guardians sucks, but Guardians in general have been buffed by the Fearlessness they get from the Avatar. An equally viable (IMHO) list might look like this:

Avatar (155)

Farseer - Doom, singing spear (83)

10 Guardians - EML (100)

10 Guardians - EML (100)

10 Guardians - EML (100)

3 Guardian Jetbikes - shuriken cannon (76)

Wraithlord - EML, scatter laser (135)

Total: 749

Just a thought.

Oh ok good to know that guardians are still viable. I took the sur cannon because its on the model ^^ but i might be able to change it to a scatterlaser. However, i have recieved the detailed rules for the tournament, and they kinda suck.. They are as follows:

Hq choice may not have more than 2 wounds
No army choice except troops may be duplicated (same squads/vehicles with other weapon options count as duplicating).

I can take a 2 wound autarch for 45 pts.

Hq  1 (max 150 pts)

Elite 0-3

Troops 1-6

Fast 0-1

Heavy 0-3

I have no idea what to take now, i never played a single game with eldar without a farseer...
I think im definately not going to make a Sw army, but i just found i still have about 1000 pts of sisters also.. but i never even played a competitive game with them :p

Those rules suck, and im clueless as to what to do

Actually, those rules may work to your favour (especially if you can take a 2W Autarch for a mere 45pts!!!)

Heres a list i jus came up with:

Autarch, Reaper Launcher - 70

6 Harlies+kisses+Seer - 162

5 Rangers - 95

5 DAs + Exarch+ Bladestorm - 87

3 Vibro-cannons - 150

Falcon + Shuri cannon + Holo-field + Spirit Stones + Vectored Engines - 185

Total - 749

OR, swap out the Vibro-cannons for 2Warwalkers with EMLs, and give the DA exarch 2X cats...

hmm, that doesnt look bad at all! thanks

I only have one warwalker and one vibrocannon though might add a guardian with missle instead, or a wraithlord with missle maybe

Well, for the 150pts, you could go with a Lord + EML + Starcannon, and give the Exarch 2X cats...

Only problem i can see is against hoard armies, but, that list only took 10-15 mins, so you can still tweek it!

Also, you sure 45pts for a 2W Autarch??? he is norm 70, i wudnt say tht 1 wound was worth 25pts, 10 MAX, proberly make him around 62-63 points, not 45...

yup, he's 45. just doublechecked it.
Would changing the harlies for hawks help against horde armies? (well, at least enough to warrant the change against others)
Thanks again m8, youve been a great help

hmmm, well, 1stly, Hawks are a lot of points for what they can do, i just find they die to easily, and they are GREAT at killing light infantry, like guard, but that doesn't pay back very well...

Also, the Harlies are for running in the falcon, if you drop them, you really wanna drop the falcon too...

Personally, against hoard, i would play the hiding game, let the rangers and Lord try to pin the enemy, pop out with the falcon every now and them to fire off some shots, move the DAs around cover to get a bladestorm in towards the end, n jus try to get it so the DAs blade storm, and the same turn, a unit of harlies assaults. That will usually break whichever enemy you are fighting. Just have to be smart (eg, go for the command squads in IG, your manuverable enough to, against swarm nids, hit the synapse or just avoid the rippers/bladestorm etc etc)

haha, thanks for the tips and yeah hawks are a bit fragile, but i love the models

yeah, personally, i prefere the harlie models, but thats because i wanna b a clown!!! :-P!!!

Also, just reading the rule: No HQ can have more than 2W, the organisers seem 2 have really messed up, IG HQ???and the 45pt Autarch is a gift.. i mean, that 70pt Autarch is killing 1.3 marines a turn, easily pay for himself in 3 turns!!!

BUT if the rule is no MODEL, then you have to say toodle-pip to the Lord...

I quote: "Hq choice may not have more than 2 wounds"
but i guess they havent thought of imp guard. but there are more sucky rules :p the only reason im gonna play is cos a good friend asked me to play again at this tournament

Ps, other sucky rules:
Necrons may use 2 wound lord (75 points)
phase out for necrons is decreased to 10%

And they are using a point system to determine the winner, and at the same time they are doing swiss(ie. first round 8 1vs1 matches, 2nd round 4 1vs1 matches, etc)

So i dont get it.. my gf is giving me all this sweet sisters stuff tho, so i might have to enter the tournament twice

lol.. well, the list i gave you SHOULD do well, all depends on hu you face... but against a hoard army, they won't really be able to hurt the falcon... so just bring on the hurt...

That said, i am confident in the army, but as with all armies, it comes down to the generals...