The Strengths of the NEW Tyranids - Foundation for Competitive Tyranids (Eldar Tactica p.318 & 319)

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**Tyran**

jifel wrote:
Foot Nids getting better without Flying Nids getting worse. Flyrants arent really OP anymore in the current meta, so Id hate to see them nerfed in the name of variety. Instead, I just want the rest of the book brought up to that level.

To be fair, the entire meta is basically burning, 8th edition will be a clean slate with a new meta.

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SHUPPET wrote:
Tyran wrote:
jifel wrote:
Foot Nids getting better without Flying Nids getting worse. Flyrants arent really OP anymore in the current meta, so Id hate to see them nerfed in the name of variety. Instead, I just want the rest of the book brought up to that level.

To be fair, the entire meta is basically burning, 8th edition will be a clean slate with a new meta.

I get what you are saying, but is there any factual reason to believe that the power level of the meta is being reeled back in? Or is that just speculation?

GW stated that it is new rules for everyone and that the current codices will be pretty much useless.

Also they stated there will 3 modes to play, one being competitive.

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On thing, movement will be a stat, with hormagaunts supposed to be faster than Eldar (which in turn are faster than Guardsmen).

And initiative will be gone, with charging units striking first, WS will be a fixed role like BS and more wounds for everyone, as multi-wound weapons will be more common.

Oh and vehicles and MCs will be one type.

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BTW, remember that the new edition not only will have new rules for our codex units, but for all our units including our bio-titans.

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Not be so sure, the new wound table will make fleshborers far better against t6 and t7 targets (which will be most vehicles and MC). S3 wounds t6 and t7 on a 6+ while s4 will do it in a 5+.

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I'm not sure the Hive Tyrant will get the character status.

More likely it will not be targetable if it is close to Tyrant Guard.

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All the weapons we have seen suggest shared weapon options, but nothing stops them from making a new profile for large scything talons.

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Strat_N8 wrote:

I agree, though it doesn't look good for 'nidzilla at the present moment. More wounds are welcome, but it looks like they are going to be taking a lot more wounds too, from both heavy guns and S4 (which now wounds on 5's instead - barring a toughness increase which seems unlikely).

It still is an increase in survivability against most things with the exception of heavy anti-vehicle weapons like Lascannons.

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Subterranean Assault in 8th:

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I hope not. Mucolids being troops never made sense.

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Tyranid Faction Focus:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/21/warhammer-40000-faction-focus-tyranids/

With the Swarmlord's profile:

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Lance845 wrote:
Maybe the tyrant guard will have some rule that allows them to piggy back on the m of a tyranid character they are protecting and move when they move, but otherwise have a reletively slow m for nids so if they get separated from a character they just really diminish.

Dunno. They will need to be quick to be worth a damn.

Just like how they work in Dawn of War.

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Ratius wrote:
Anyone think Swarmy with t6 and a 3+ save is underwhelming defensively?
Sure we havent seen his special rules, he might have an inv but seeing as how that new Primaris captain is t5, 6w and a 3+, what then are the marine special characters or chapter masters going to have
Isnt Swarmy supposed to be the absolute pinnacle of Nid evolution - both offensively and defensively.

He has a 5+ invulnerable save, improved to 4+ in melee. Plus he is a psyker and Catalyst still exists so add a 5+ FNP on top of that.
Oh and 12 wounds.

As for Space Marine characters or Chapter Masters, Guilliman, the pinnacle of the Ultramarine stats, is equal or inferior to the Swarmlord in most stats except BS and saves, so I doubt the others will be anywhere close to the Swarmlord.

I expect the Primaris Captains to be as good as it comes in terms of stats, and superior to most Chapter Masters or special characters.

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Curious that no one has mentioned that with the changes to Assault weapons, we can run (Advance) and shoot with a -1 to hit.

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Plasma is not great against the Swarmlod, poor range and single damage. The overcharged mode is considerably more dangerous, but it is risky.

The Swarmlord needs 27 normal plasma hits to be killed, 40.5 if FNP is active. Halve those numbers for the overcharged mode (13.5 and 20.25)

That's a massive improvement over the 7.5 hits (11.25 with FNP) needed for the current Swarmlord.

As for Lascannons, you need 7.7 Lascannon hits to kill it, 11.6 with FNP activated. Again an improvement over the 6 (9 with FNP) hits needed against the current Swarmlord,.

Of course now the Swarmlord will suffer damage degradation, but the only problematic one is its movement.

Also is should be protected by Guards.

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For some reason now I have the mental image of Tyranid Warriors with 4 Spinefists.

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luke1705 wrote:
Posted this over in the news and rumors thread, but thought it had a lot of impact on us as well. I saw it listed in the datasheet for a leaked Tau flyer:

The "hard to hit" rule, previously causing all models to snapshoot when they shot at flyers/fmc, etc, has been changed to a -1 to hit modifier, and I can imagine that this is the case for all flyers and FMC.

While I was hoping for more than that, it makes sense because the amounts of wounds have been increased for flyers and such, which wound have led to flyers and FMC being stupidly durable if it was a -2 or -3 to hit modifier.

What this means for us is that while wings are probably still good at helping us get to combat faster, if we still can't charge when we move upwards of 12", then I don't really see the benefit (because I also think that assault-based hive tyrants will probably be better than shooty flyrants, but that is still a bit of a hunch). Especially when the tyrant guard can tank wounds for the tyrant (who is moving what looks like 9" without the wings), walking seems pretty beneficial. Would really suck if those dudes slowed the tyrant back down to 6" move or something like that though due to a small range on the ability to tank wounds...

I have the feeling we will be able to charge to make up for the lost in durability.

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Uploading leaks about point costs.

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Also from the 8th ed thread.

Stranglethorn Cannon does d6 shots. for every 10 models in a unit, the wielder gets +1 to hit. range 36"; S 7; AP -1; D 2

Heavy Venom Cannon: range 36"; D3 shots *if i remember right* S 9; AP -2; D d3

Adrenal glands add 1 to advance and charge range. Toxin sacs: rolls of 6 make 2d

Rupture Cannon: S 10; AP -1; D d3; heavy 2. If it hits with both shots, they get AP -4; D d6. And if Tyrannofex stands still, all his weapons can fire twice

Tyrannofex has T 8; 14 or 16 W

Tyrannocyte can transport 20 infantry models or 1 monstrous Creature with max 14 wounds

Zoanthropes: Warp Blast has become a special rule that makes smite spell do d3 additional mortal wounds *looks like all psykers have smite* Neurothrope makes zoanthropes regain d3 wounds when they kill with smite. Zoanthropes also cost 40 points now. if the unit is 4+ models, they can cast 2 psychic powers

Maleceptor has T8; 14 wounds; armor save 3+. You can chose to use its own psychic power and it targets a number of enemy units depending on how many wounds it still has. Roll 1 dice for the enemy units: on a 1 nothing happens. on a roll of 2+ the enemy unit suffers a mortal wound

Trygon: T 6; 14 W; movement 8

Toxicrene: T 8; 14 W; 3+ armor save. One ability it has makes you roll a d6 for every enemy model within 1 inch. on a roll of 6, the enemy suffers a mortal wound

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Lance845 wrote:
Anyone notice the upgrade is called "Scything wings" for 13 pts?

I imagine it is a combination of scything talons and wings for the shrikes.

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Also another compilation:

Tervigon M8" W14 S7 T8 Save3+, can either create a 10 fleshborer Termagaunt unit (you need to keep the points for them) OR re-add fleshborer Termagaunt models to an existing unit
>Carnifex
>67 points
>M7" WS4+ S6 T7 W8 A4 3+
>It doesn't degrade
>if charge does mortal wound on a 4+
>Crushing claws are Sx2 AP-3 damage 3
>Monstrous Scything Talons S: User AP-3 damage 3
>Bonemace S8 Ap-1 d3 damage.
>If with 2 weapons +1 attacks
>2 Scything talons reroll 1 to hit.

Haruspex

S7 (degrades) T8 W13
If it kills a model it can do an extra attack and heal 1 wound.
Every wound he takes does a mortal wound on the enemy on a 6 (I suppose it's acid blood)
If killed roll a dice, on a 6 it does 3 mortal wound on an enemy unit within 3"
Digging claws Sx2 AP-3 damage d6

Venomthrope
-1 to be hit for infantry.

Lictor
WS2+ S6 W4 A3 5+
+2 armour save in cover,
-1 to be hit
can infiltrate at 9" and can reroll charge the turn it shows up
Gargoyles move 12
Shrikes move 10
Broodlord HQ
Mucolid spore FA
Devourers with Brainleech are 18" S6 Assualt 3
Boneswords AP -2 +1 attack if you've got a pair
Powers:
1. Catalyst basically 5+ FnP
2. -1 to hit and LD on enemy unit
3. Move and fire heavy/advance and fire with assualt with no modifiers, advance and still charge
Shadow in the warp psykers within 8 get -1 LD, within 12 of HT/Swarmlord

>mawloc can deploy up to 1" away from enemies but 6" away from other mawlocs
>enemies within 2" get damage according to a d6
>1: nothing; 2-3: 1 mortal; 4-5: d3 mortals; 6: 3 mortals
>can't charge in the same turn; can reenter reserves like before

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More Tyranid stuff.
http://imgur.com/a/IY9ks

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If you field Tyranids and Cult Genestealer in separate detachements, you can add an Astra Militarum detachement for every Genestealer Cult detachment.

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Timeshadow wrote:
So with our home tyrants having 10w now they are protected as a character now right? If so that's a new layer of protection which will be nice.

That only applies to 9 wounds or less.

But you can pass wounds to Tyrant guards on a 2+

**Tyran**

seeg wrote:
Tyran wrote:
Timeshadow wrote:
So with our home tyrants having 10w now they are protected as a character now right? If so that's a new layer of protection which will be nice.

That only applies to 9 wounds or less.

But you can pass wounds to Tyrant guards on a 2+

dont freak me out here. didnt the character spotlight say its 10 wounds AND below?

If it said that then it is wrong as we have seen the core rules.

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Timeshadow wrote:
Tyran wrote:
seeg wrote:
Tyran wrote:
Timeshadow wrote:
So with our home tyrants having 10w now they are protected as a character now right? If so that's a new layer of protection which will be nice.

That only applies to 9 wounds or less.

But you can pass wounds to Tyrant guards on a 2+

dont freak me out here. didnt the character spotlight say its 10 wounds AND below?

If it said that then it is wrong as we have seen the core rules.

The "Character" info release said 10 and less. Where does it say 9 or less?

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So, 8th edition tactica when?

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GodDamUser wrote:
So it would appear that Tervigon spam will be a thing again

As it doesn't appear you have to pay for extra points for 10 free termagants a turn

If you create an unit you have to pay for it, but if you replace lost models then it is free.