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allright.  again this came up in a game.

feat reads as fallows "Enemy models currently in Sorscha's control area and LOS become stationary for one round"

the way i read the card, sorchas feat freezes models in her los AND in her control area.

menaing i could freeze a model or models clear accros the board if i had los to them.

and if you are in controll area you are auto freezed.

 

but i was told that you need to have BOTH los AND be in control area in order for feat to work......

if this is the case then screw sorcha im getting a new caster, she is WAY to expensive for innifective she is.  because as soon as peopel see her, they will wall up some uniimportant units if front line to block LOS to the better stuff, and at her piss poor ARM, i dont want to get to close to the enmany.

because all they need to do is charge with a jack, boost the hit, and boost the dmg dice rool to 4 (2 reg, 1 for charge, one for boost) dice... and by by sorcha.

 

hehe drop her, or use the old card for her that reads   "enemy models curently in sorcsha's control area become stationary for one round."..... or is that her new card?? i forget which one is which.  one came with her, one came with the faction deck.

Both conditions must be met for the feat to work.

It's still pretty harsh, but you have to be ready to capitalize on
it or you're right, Sorscha is going to get smacked. I wouldn't
call it ineffective. Depending on the ARM of the opponent warcaster,
you could put some hurt on with AE effects on stuff right next to
them.

If you're switching Sorscha for Vlad or the Witch, though, well, yeah
I find those two warcasters really tough to fight against.

I can see now why you loose so much . Sorcha's feat is still amazingly powerfull.

Lets put it this way. How often will you miss something that is stationary with a ranged attack ?
Now look at all the ranged stuff Khador has.

Even if you dont get that, how about a loss of an entire turn for your opponent if you position Sorcha in a good way ?

Bloody hell, this feat aint nothing to sneeze at, its still one of the most powerfull feats of them all !

well the thing is i dispise the models for most of the other warcasters for khador.

the model for vlad makes me want to puke.

dont like the old witch... the scrap jack looks nifty though.

the butcher and irusk are only ok model wise...

but the only real models for casters i like is sorscha.. all 3 of her models (the battlebox, the alt pose, and the epic)

the butcher is my last resort, if i get him then i would need to rework my intire list to be heavy CC ware as the one i got now has loads of shotting in it, backed up with some nasty cc... o this is the list i came up with.

caster is sorscha

behemoth (for the 2 bombard mainly, but it can rip you a new one if you get to close)

a unit of 4 battlefield machinics (try to figure out what they are gonna do =P)

unit of 8 iron fangs

the mandatory widowmaker squad

kell (allthough since i have one point to spare, i can switch him for rouge alchmist guy)

the mage hunter (as allways)

and 2 morter crews.

 

plan is to hang back, let them come to me, get a turn of morters scattering, then move caster forward, (used to wind rush, but since feat is the way it is i need those focus points) cast the spell that kockes you down (hopefully to get enough LOS to caster for feat to work, and morters to drop) and boost it (remaning point is on behemoth to boost the dmg from a bombard).  then blow feat.  attempt to kill the caster or if im not lucky a heavy jack, and put some dmg elseware.  while widowmakers and kell run into range and fire on one wound warrior units... and iron fangs run into charge position or if i can, actualy charge something mmmm blasting pikes.....

next turn, i walk back, atempt to refreeze (or knock down... whatever the situation calls for) another high threat unit (or caster if im lucky) and blow it to heck and back. boosting it like before and boosting a bombard on behemoth for wounding.... iron fangs now charge in (if they allready did i shield wall), and widowmakers and kell finish off the one wound squad they shot last turn (aiming now)

 

good in theroy, but when the table is set up, my opponet allways makes sure to put forests (LONG ONES) right smack dab in the middle to block LOS from morters and bombards. i have played ONE game with a favorable terrein set up, and after my morters did what they did, that never happened again.  the morters and bombards should be able to fire indirect (IMHO) but suffer the light arty rule if they fire indirect, and must have a friendly unit that dose have LOS to the target..

now for the life of me, i cant figure out why people call sorcha broken... honestly, she needs one more focus point for how expensive she is, mabye go from 71 to 75 for that extra focus.

i have enough range stuff to knock out a everblight varnavian with one turn of firing....

i got enough ranged stuff to drop just about anything with one turn of shooting.

and when statonary i dont miss but on two d6 rolls of ones.

 

the problem is, the feat will only work on the front line of guys, or  mabey a jack or 2.

even if i can get her on a hill, big bases still block to everything smaller i think.  and with only a 12 inch effictive range, requiring BOTH LOS and the 12 inches. psh, its a mediocer feat.  yes i am taking one turn away from a few units, but as soon as they see sorscha they put the cheep things in front to screen, and block los so im only getting one or 2 units with feat.

and its not like i can wind rush past them, because then im not getting a lots of things in LOS...

i can see it being a more effictive feat if it was all units within the 12 inches are frozen, but sooo meney things can block los that its allmost a moot point to pop feat.

Sorry that Sorscha is no longer an "I Win" button. It's still a powerful Feat. Yes, you have to maneuver and use tactics to take advantage of it. Why don't you try Slamming the large based model through all the little ones that are behind it, so they're all KDed and not blocking LOS, and then use her Feat. Or killing the first couple models and then using it. She's like most things in WM - you have to use them well, or you will lose.

And if you don't like the Vlad sculpt, look for the alternate one that put proceeds towards Katrina relief, much better sculpt.

Posted By Envy89 on 10/25/2007 7:47 PM

because all they need to do is charge with a jack, boost the hit, and boost the dmg dice rool to 4 (2 reg, 1 for charge, one for boost) dice... and by by sorcha.

Also, you can't boost the damage roll on a charge attack.  It's already boosted.

sorscha is an amazing caster , sure if she gets hit by something it will hurt , but it is very difficult to hit her

especially if your casting windrush every turn , at that point she is def 20!!

You can only boost anything once. If something claims you get an "additional dice" then that is different from boosting and you can still boost in one further. Charging is a boost though, weapons master is an additional dice.

Sorscha if played right can be an "I win" button if positioned right. The feat has been changed to now needing line of sight as well so it is a harder button to push correctly.

I agree with you on the looks of the Khador warcasters, Envy.

I like Sorcha, the Butcher and Irusk, hate Vlad and the Witch (I like the rules for Vlad but wont get him). However you didnt mention kharkev who I find looks good and seems fun to play. I find Warmachine is too expensive to buy alt characters, the boxset Sorcha will do for me. Iam also happy to use standard models as Epic warcaster in my games, and vice versa.

I understand Privateer frowning on this, but subbing is common enough so why not sub Sorsha as Epic Sorsha. Besides most of the Epic warcasters are similar but with a scenic base. The only two that truely stand IMHO out a Haley and Asphixious.