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I don't think much would honestly change in terms of our rankings regarding the front page.

MSU would still be favored in order to get more smites, and the best MSU we have is PAGK who are also the best bang-for-the-buck.

The best would just be better, vehicles would be slightly worse including Dreadnoughts just by virtue of them not being buffed. Brother-Captain would move from BAD to MEDIOCRE. Purifiers would still be bad as would Terminators.

I would say we play exactly the same, just we toss out more MW which would help against, IK, Vehicles, and Flyers.

We need more than that to go from the weakest codex.

 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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Brother Captain or two for range extension. Spam smite. Try to get above 30 smite MW a turn. Then max storm bolter fire. If the point reductions are true, I think this is very doable.

We could pull down 1.5 imperial knights a turn in mortals.




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Also, brother Captain may very well move up in my book. I've been using him lately with success.

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FAQs have just been updated.

Page 82
– Interceptor Squad, Personal Teleporters
Change the first sentence to read:
‘During the Movement phase, this unit can move across
models and terrain as if they were not there.
   
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Ctanforlife wrote:
FAQs have just been updated.

Page 82
– Interceptor Squad, Personal Teleporters
Change the first sentence to read:
‘During the Movement phase, this unit can move across
models and terrain as if they were not there.


Yeah, same for Reivers and their Grapnel launcher moves.

So it was just a case of them forgetting then!
   
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The strange thing is this change isn't just correcting an oversight, its a straight out nerf all on its own.

Someone at GW looked at these units, which have no interaction with the FLY rule at all (and therefore no interaction with the rules loophole Re: vertical movement which resulted in the change to FLY), and though: "Y'know what, these units need to be restricted in the charge phase as well" because their own bespoke rules have a passing resemblance to what FLY used to be.

Mind boggling... Its a minor change in the grand scheme of things, but just... why?

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 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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If they do this with potentially some point drops on our strikes GK will be every bit as good as TS. Except we will actually be playing with our core stuff.

I'd assume that purifiers and crowe would get some kind of rewrite on their power to just be regular smite that is always D6 or something other wise they move/stay in trash teir.

Brother captain IMO would probably be the go to HQ and we could try to play a defensive type game (always being in cover throwing out 36 inch smites. Also - LR is dropping to something like 280 points with las cannons (might actaully be worth including 1 to use astral aim on.) IDK. All in all if these are encoruaging leaks.


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 Xenomancers wrote:
If they do this with potentially some point drops on our strikes GK will be every bit as good as TS. Except we will actually be playing with our core stuff.

I'd assume that purifiers and crowe would get some kind of rewrite on their power to just be regular smite that is always D6 or something other wise they move/stay in trash teir.

Brother captain IMO would probably be the go to HQ and we could try to play a defensive type game (always being in cover throwing out 36 inch smites. Also - LR is dropping to something like 280 points with las cannons (might actaully be worth including 1 to use astral aim on.) IDK. All in all if these are encoruaging leaks.



Just thinking in an outrider detachment with brother captain, 3 small units of interceptors and 2 dakka stormraven. Turn one the stormraven clear the chaff that is protecting a demon prince, then the 3 units of outriders shunt at 36 inches in a place where the daemon prince is the closest enemy unit, followed by the brother captain who will GI. And then throw at him 4 smites of 3 flat damage at 36 inches to show to those heretics that the daemons have no power over us.

Well, change daemon prince for an Imperial Knight and.... mmm o well, I don't think that even with 4 smites we can kill an IK... anyway, at least we will get some more options... if the leaks are true

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15 smites on an ik, and if we are getting 1d3 on 10+, then we very well could do some damage. And we want a nice hammer handed unit to get in cc with a knight with d3 weapons, or a ndk.

I am really hoping they make the standard dreadknight useful, as well as psycannons, heavy psycannons, twin psycannons, incinerators, and heavy incinerators.

I really miss shunting incinerators to point blank and deleting units.

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psipso wrote:
 Xenomancers wrote:
If they do this with potentially some point drops on our strikes GK will be every bit as good as TS. Except we will actually be playing with our core stuff.

I'd assume that purifiers and crowe would get some kind of rewrite on their power to just be regular smite that is always D6 or something other wise they move/stay in trash teir.

Brother captain IMO would probably be the go to HQ and we could try to play a defensive type game (always being in cover throwing out 36 inch smites. Also - LR is dropping to something like 280 points with las cannons (might actaully be worth including 1 to use astral aim on.) IDK. All in all if these are encoruaging leaks.



Just thinking in an outrider detachment with brother captain, 3 small units of interceptors and 2 dakka stormraven. Turn one the stormraven clear the chaff that is protecting a demon prince, then the 3 units of outriders shunt at 36 inches in a place where the daemon prince is the closest enemy unit, followed by the brother captain who will GI. And then throw at him 4 smites of 3 flat damage at 36 inches to show to those heretics that the daemons have no power over us.

Well, change daemon prince for an Imperial Knight and.... mmm o well, I don't think that even with 4 smites we can kill an IK... anyway, at least we will get some more options... if the leaks are true

Knights will fall with a combination of damage from +1 str +1 ap storm bolters and psilencers - smites and hammer handed nemisis. We got the tools to bring down knights - the tools just need to get better and stuff needs to cost less.

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Have have the tools, just need the correct efficient price

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https://spikeybits.com/2018/11/grey-knights-in-8th-edition-a-modest-proposal.html?fbclid=IwAR0vqdPGoSs227QLKUeVvGhZ_ZygMaif7B-RmHdfh8LWJ9KXaWyvjLY2X3g

Even spikey bits is jumping on the "give the GK some love" train.

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We need better rules, not only point reductions
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But we needed point reductions, so I don't bitch about getting them
   
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What units will be on par with Grand Master Nemesis in Dreadknigt Armor and Strike Squads now. Did they get nerfed or buffed?
   
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They better be fething 20% reduction on everything, because if I see terminators only drop 2 points I already see the death of the army if they have to wait for another CA.

 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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Yeah, unless we are getting massively cheaper its still not enough. We will see...

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I'm kind of disappointed that we're never getting Primaris treatment, apparently. Yes, GW, we have different shaped helmets and melee weapons. Is it really so bad?
   
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Ctanforlife wrote:
We need better rules, not only point reductions


They may just reduce 3 points on Terminator armor unit and call it a day. booooooo.........


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 Quickjager wrote:
They better be fething 20% reduction on everything, because if I see terminators only drop 2 points I already see the death of the army if they have to wait for another CA.


I think dropping terminator units by only 3 points is the most likely adjustment they would do.

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Saw a possible leak on bolter and chainsword's gk thread... apply salt.

Someone there is claiming paladins are going to 34 pts, terminators are 26pts, and strikes are 15pts.

That will be quite a point drop.

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26 point termies... a full 20 point drop? That is honestly insane from GW of all people.

*Doubt*

If true that means that I actually don't have enough terminators in my army though... which would be a GW move.

 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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I would still take Paladins for the extra wound and attack, but at least the regular Terminators won't be a total handicap.

CaptainStabby wrote:
If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.

 jy2 wrote:
BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.

 vipoid wrote:
Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?

 MarsNZ wrote:
ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
 
   
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I want to believe, but a minimum squad of Paladins would be 108 points if that's true. That's...really low.

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At that price point they actually become more wound effective than Strikes, while losing out on shooting. I would almost be inclined to say that was balanced, but a ~40% price cut is insanely improbable.

 SHUPPET wrote:

wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
 
   
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From 4th to 5th edition Chaos Space Marine Terminators went from 50 points to 30 points if I recall correctly. But that was an edition change not a chapter approved.
   
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 Quickjager wrote:
26 point termies... a full 20 point drop? That is honestly insane from GW of all people.

*Doubt*

If true that means that I actually don't have enough terminators in my army though... which would be a GW move.


usually just read this group without contributing. I liked the gk termies and have amassed a small army of just them and paladins (~50) usually for cheap off ebay and just a side re-painting project. if they hit 26 points... they now have a spot in my imperial soup list.

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 G00fySmiley wrote:


usually just read this group without contributing. I liked the gk termies and have amassed a small army of just them and paladins (~50) usually for cheap off ebay and just a side re-painting project. if they hit 26 points... they now have a spot in my imperial soup list.


This is part of the problem with GW's balancing attempts. Any points drops for imperial units makes them way better in soup lists. Strike squads and interceptors are ridiculously good at clearing screens. If they drop in points to make them far more viable/competitive they'll instantly go in to most people soup lists.

The major ruymours I have heard is that named characters across the board are getting points drops. A vanguard of Voldus and 3 interceptor squads is actually quite a tasty prospect for soup lists if they get points drops.

I wanna see GK HQ choices having access to full smite and/or a different psychic tree to cast from
   
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3x strike squad, voldus and a super cheap brother champion will make a decently priced detachment that can dish out damage.

If they make the dreadnought cheaper (for long range fire power and back field objective holding) then oh my we could be self sufficient.




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 Nithaniel wrote:
 G00fySmiley wrote:


usually just read this group without contributing. I liked the gk termies and have amassed a small army of just them and paladins (~50) usually for cheap off ebay and just a side re-painting project. if they hit 26 points... they now have a spot in my imperial soup list.


This is part of the problem with GW's balancing attempts. Any points drops for imperial units makes them way better in soup lists. Strike squads and interceptors are ridiculously good at clearing screens. If they drop in points to make them far more viable/competitive they'll instantly go in to most people soup lists.

The major ruymours I have heard is that named characters across the board are getting points drops. A vanguard of Voldus and 3 interceptor squads is actually quite a tasty prospect for soup lists if they get points drops.

I wanna see GK HQ choices having access to full smite and/or a different psychic tree to cast from


yea, depends on the player/ high level competitive vs beer and pretzels mid power where I play mostly. like i never field my termies/paladins casue they are terrible btu if they make it into the mid tier i would field em backed up by a knight paladin, a few armigers, and my death korps of krieg. not likely to win any tournaments but against liek minded players fun to play.

I can see drops for other gk unite sbeing problematic. my "competative" imperium list which does pretty well is basically blue tide literally slammign the board full of tac marines... strike squads would be even better (silver tide?).

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 Smotejob wrote:
Saw a possible leak on bolter and chainsword's gk thread... apply salt.

Someone there is claiming paladins are going to 34 pts, terminators are 26pts, and strikes are 15pts.

That will be quite a point drop.

PLEASE BE TRUE!!!

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