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Here you go, Shep. Nice and shooty.

You can deal with hordes with the 4 heavy bolter units, and the GK Hero and 2 ST units gives you plasmaguns to take on MC/Termies that get too close.

Man, a Demonhunter list I'd almost want to play.

Almost.

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2000 Pts - Daemonhunters Roster - 2k SAFH Demonhunters

0 Grey Knight Hero @ 76 Pts
Brother Captain
1 Brother-Captain @ [76] Pts
Nemesis Force Weapon; Combi-Plasmagun; Terminator Armour
1 Terminator Armour @ [0] Pts

1 Inquisitor Lord [WH] @ 178 Pts
Auspex; Carapace Armour
3 Acolyte [WH] @ [27] Pts
Laspistol (x1); Close Combat Weapon (x1)
2 Chirurgeon [WH] @ [24] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon
3 Warrior [WH] @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor [WH] @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter

1 Inquisitor @ 363 Pts
Mount in Land Raider; Auspex
1 Land Raider @ [250] Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon
2 Acolyte @ [16] Pts
Laspistol (x1); Close combat weapon (x1)
3 Warrior @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter

1 Inquisitor @ 363 Pts
Mount in Land Raider; Auspex
1 Land Raider @ [250] Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon
2 Acolyte @ [16] Pts
Laspistol (x1); Close combat weapon (x1)
3 Warrior @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter

1 Inquisitor [WH] @ 130 Pts
Auspex
1 Acolyte [WH] @ [9] Pts
Laspistol (x1); Close Combat Weapon (x1)
2 Chirurgeon [WH] @ [24] Pts
Laspistol; Close Combat Weapon
3 Warrior [WH] @ [75] Pts
Gun Servitor
1 Gun Servitor [WH] @ [15] Pts
Frag Grenades; Krak Grenades; Heavy Bolter (x1); Targeter

5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers @ 70 Pts
Frag Grenades; Hellgun (x3); Plasmagun (x2); Targeter

5 Inquisitorial Stormtroopers @ 70 Pts
Frag Grenades; Hellgun (x3); Plasmagun (x2); Targeter

1 Grey Knight Land Raider @ 250 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon

1 Grey Knight Land Raider @ 250 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon

1 Grey Knight Land Raider @ 250 Pts
Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon

Total Roster Cost: 2000

What's your logic behind the Inquisitor retinues?

They look extremely inefficient, especially the acolytes, lack of mystics, etc.

I'd like to have two or three LRC as heavy support instead of the normal ones...fighting off hordes and assault cannons are never bad to have.

And you probably want to have some carapace armour on your acolytes.
Maybe think about buying boltguns for them too, as well as for your Inquisitors.

The DH retinues can do a little trick:
Give one of your acolytes a mastercrafted powerarmour, so you can get a 2+ save in spite of armour majority.

They look extremely inefficient, especially the acolytes, lack of mystics, etc.

I don't think they do...once you add the carapace armour they're fine. Maybe a WH armies would be better for a SAFH...with Exorcists and longer lasting Inquisitors...

There's no points for carapace armor, and honestly the acolytes aren't there to get a save other than a cover save. They are there to take shots assigned to the inquisitor, and die for the master. Sure I could put a 2+ armor save in on an acolyte, but what's going to kill the squad is mass light weapons fire, and that won't help.

The squads are designed to shoot down hordes of light infantry. That's all really.

Why would I want mystics? Demon bomb armies are currently defunct, there's no need for them. Maybe against drop pod armies, but it's pretty easy to block LOS to a mystic unit with your drop pod, so again...why?

The inquisitorial retinues will get you sufficient shots to put a hurt into infantry, and with Land Raiders to block LOS vs mass light weapon fire units (which conveniently, can then not do much except move and try for shots since they cannot hurt the LR) and allow you to fire at what you want to.

It's my juicy opinion that LRC are great ways to deliver 16 marines or 8 terminators, but are a completely junk tank. Yeah yeah, they chew up IG and the like--and get shot to bits in the middle of the battlefield, they're lucky if they even get to fire their bolters out to 24" let alone rapid fire them at something.

Just a quick question....will about the 1000 pnts you spent on your land raiders, which you said are just going to be shot at first and die quickly anyway, what else is there for you that you could use the 1000 pnts on? Im not a big fan of Daemon Hunters, nore Inquisitors...but...is there something else?

Well mass land raiders is difficult to kill without a list designed to kill it (which then can't kill a different kind of list). DE exception noted.

Now as far as what else to take--well, you can take a bunch of LR's in most Space Marine armies. I guess the question I have is, what army/models do you want to run? I'll take a looksee and see if I can put something together, if you like.

Stelek wrote:There's no points for carapace armor, and honestly the acolytes aren't there to get a save other than a cover save. They are there to take shots assigned to the inquisitor, and die for the master. Sure I could put a 2+ armor save in on an acolyte, but what's going to kill the squad is mass light weapons fire, and that won't help.

Be sure to keep an eye on majority armour saves!


Back to the LRCs...they are bullet...no...lanceproof against DE in a BT List.

Well, they are fine but many DE lists have 10+ Dark Lances. Unlike Falcons, immobilized land raiders are alot easier to deal with--and so goes their cargo.

BT LRCs can by an 25pt upgrade to gain 'lanceimmunity', plus their weapons are by far superior against DE. 6es to glance with your mid range shooting? Good luck.
Versus Marines or Guard I'd probably choose the normal LR...

Stelek wrote:Why would I want mystics? Demon bomb armies are currently defunct, there's no need for them. Maybe against drop pod armies, but it's pretty easy to block LOS to a mystic unit with your drop pod, so again...why?

The inquisitorial retinues will get you sufficient shots to put a hurt into infantry, and with Land Raiders to block LOS vs mass light weapon fire units (which conveniently, can then not do much except move and try for shots since they cannot hurt the LR) and allow you to fire at what you want to.

You don't need LOS from the unit to the deep striking unit in order to shoot at it, and you can nominate any unit to shoot at it within 12 inches. If you're setting up a castle with your land raiders, you can essentially provide a larger area where nothing would want to deep strike. It's not always going to apply, but I see deep striking melta guns in cheap units to be one of the biggest threats to your land raiders. Personally I think you're better off putting wounds on the Inquisitor first, so you can lose the 4+ majority armor, and then puts wounds on something other than heavy bolters in later rounds of shooting. The Inquisitor is no better than 2 other ablative wounds in the retinue as you're kitting him out.

You could trade the auspex and 2 acolytes for 2 mystics and a familiar, giving you extra wounds and the protection from deep striking monoliths, drop pods, drop troops, etc. It's also not very obvious from your wording that you have 3 HB servitors in the inq. squads.

Sorry, I copy/paste from Army Builder.

I blame Ghaz!

Thanks Stelek, but I think I'd rather have 5 and a Callidus. I have absolutely no idea though. This isn't the kinda list that I would be super excited about testing. Sounds like a win big lose big situation. But fun to think about. And I think it would be one of the easiest things to paint ever!

I have such a hard time reading that army builder format. Do you have an emperor's tarot in there somewhere?

I thought regular shooting rules applied to both the auspex and the mystic. I'd love to hear that I was wrong, but my understanding of the rule is that range and LOS still apply.

It is a win big lose big list.

No but you can easily put a ET in.

The Auspex, yes. The Mystic, if they deep strike in range you may not be able to shoot them but if have friends within 12" who can see them; you can have them shoot them.

For example, Mystics in unit A and B can both trace range to a deep striking unit; but only unit A can see them and are in range. However, unit B is within 12" of a Land Raider that can also see...so unit A and the LR both fire, the LR using unit B's "chance".

Hope that clears that up.