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I'm sorry if this isn't the right place for this, but I figured since what you see is what you get is a rule, I figured I'd put it here.

If I want a space marine with a bolter to have true grit in a tournament, do I have to model the marine with the bolter in one hand and a ccw in the other? Will attaching a ccw to the space marine's belt or leg suffice? Do any changes at all have to be made?

I don't recall exactly if every marine in the force gets TG or not, but assuming they don't, I would be content if they had a ccw on their person in an easy to see place (in other words, not stashed behind their back packs.)

In a tournament, just to be double certain I would probably model them with a bolter in one hand and a ccw in the other, assuming I had the time and models to do so. I figure it is probably better to give as little reason for whining as possible. Then again, it isn't as though models with furious charge have to be modeled with flames coming out of their eyes or some such, so really I would speculate just saying which units have it and having it on your list should suffice, so long as there is a fairly easy to understand list to model correlation, like numbered pads.

Another option would be glueing a little sand onto the models. If nothing else, if your opponant doesn't chuckle when you explain it, you know to watch out for douchery.

I typically give my marines combat knives on thier belt. This means they can WYSIWYG for True Grit if they have the skill.

Thanks for the help, I think I'll put knives on their belts although the bit of sand is pretty good advice as well ; )

Hey Lifeafter. I use Counter Attack & TG on my Marines. On at least 80% of my models I have given a CCW to. I think thats all you need for WYSIWYG in Tourneys. The organiser of the GT in Bris said that if 80% of the figs represented the fact that they all had a CCW, it was fine. I will be putting some pics up soon in the Photo-=dump section when I work out Lighting/zoom on my new camera.

If your doing a space wolves army or if its just included in the rules that the said unit has True Grit then I dont see a need to model it on your mini, but if you do have alot of whiners about wysiwyg then I would just have a ccw on his belt.

It's a Veteranskill and no Weapon/Wargear and therefor most not be modeled. It still would be a good idea to attanch any sort of 1 handed weapon to your true grit marines. (Pistol or Knife. They don't have Chainswords if I recall correctly and you don't know if there would be updated Chainswordrules in 5th ed.)

Wehrkind wrote:Another option would be glueing a little sand onto the models. If nothing else, if your opponant doesn't chuckle when you explain it, you know to watch out for douchery.

"Douchery" -- what an excellent word! It's applicable to so very many areas of life.

-- Rob

Hey Gareth_Hreidmar, space wolf afficionado, what are you doing with an Iron Snakes avatar?

Just teasin...

Eh it just looked kool and I couldnt find a space wolves one yet that I really liked.

What I did for my Space Wolves was to model most of them gripping the bolter with one hand and a chainsword in the other. A few of them hold the bolter with both hands. As long as it is easy for your opponents to identify that each unit as a whole has True Grit then I think that is fine. I have never been called on it by the way.

: )

- G

If I recall the rule for True Brit, it explains something of marines using the bolter to pistol whip someone. Then I assumed that they'd punch with the hand that is supporting the bolter.

Datadep5 wrote:If I recall the rule for True Brit, it explains something of marines using the bolter to pistol whip someone. Then I assumed that they'd punch with the hand that is supporting the bolter.

You're almost right. TG = using a bolter as a 1 handed weapon by the pistol grip, but with a hand weapon as well, not merely a free hand.

OT:
combat knives on the boots
CCW attached to back or other area
Bolter/ CCW in hands
CCW in hands with bolter slung maybe
CCW stuck in the ground

Lots of ways to model it. Don't get wrapped around the wording of the rule. Think outside the box for modeling it.

Adding a bayonet to the bolter looks nice and is representative as well.

Thanks for all the tips. I've dug up all my old bits of knives, swords, and axes.

Adding a bayonet to the bolter looks nice and is representative as well.

I didn't know that. I have 4 of the Space Hulk marines that are modeled like that. I didn't realize that that could convey true grit.

Also, would the holstered pistols work?

To be honest when it comes to vet skills, WYSIWYG is not always required but it is nice to see on the models. For example how would one model Tank Hunter? There are many different ways that you can convey it. The most important thing when it comes to vet skills is to convey to your opponent that they models have that specific skill.

On the modeling note I am a fan of the Bayonet as it allows you to field the model as if it has the skill or even if it doesn't without many people asking "does that model have True Grit and Counter Attack?"

Datadep5 wrote:If I recall the rule for True Brit, it explains something of marines using the bolter to pistol whip someone. Then I assumed that they'd punch with the hand that is supporting the bolter.

I'd have thought True Brit would require a Union Jack tabbard and a cup of tea in the off hand.

I kid, I kid. Cheerio!

Personally, my solution is to have a few marines in the squad with bolter and chainsword to designate the unit as having true grit. It satisfies WYSIWIG AND gives use to my 'I'm bored of making regular marines' conversions.

The Bayo idea is ace Asmodai. I hadn't even thought of that when I did my SW's. But then again I just magnetized everything and called it a day. That way I could run them as either BP/CC or Bolter/CC. Good idea anyhoo.

The answer is 'no'.

You can model it if you want to. Just remember the same twit that's going to complain about there being no combat knife on your fig is also going to complain about there being a combat knife when you aren't using TG.

You can't win sometimes. The SM Codex says no.

Be clear with your opponent that your squads have it.

Of course, if half don't and half do...I'd model it myself.