Ideas on how to model this?

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**Terminizzle**

As ruthlessly interesting as I find the 40k universe, I've never been particularly interested in the background of my own army, so I decided to try my hand at it. I've never read any of the novels or anything but the background sections of the codexes really, so bear with me if something contrasts with what's already established.

The fluff I pieced together based on what I thought was cool is as follows- A Marine force (groans already?) that turned against the Emperor when Horus did, but serves no Chaos gods. Instead, they realized that the emperor was just a power-hungry nutbag and as tyrannical as any of the enemies he'd ordered them to fight. They're a Chaos Space Marines army, as far as rules and codexes go. I was thinking of saying they infiltrated the 1k Sons Legion and used them to get to the emperor quickly and safely to remove him, and were hence trapped in their armor by Ahriman's Rubric, but I'm not too sure about that part yet. Rather than just using all units with no mark/ mark of chaos undivided, though, I want to use Obliterators, a Demon Prince, and a Greater Demon.

I have a pretty good idea for modeling the Oblits I think, but what I can't come up with anything too good for are the DP and Greater Demon. I know I want both to look immensely powerful, without looking really demonic. I do want both to look humanoid.

Any ideas/ links/ cc greatly appreciated.

**Turtle**

I think going mecha would probably be the best thing for your army, after all being cut off from the Imperium it's not like they can get spare Dreadnoughts and Rhinos from just anybody, so why not go.... xenos!

I'd look at mini walkers as oblits, and something along the lines of a Dreadnought for your DP (though modelled differently of course, think something from the Inquisitor range? I know Tyrus and Artemis get used a lot, and AT-43 has a lot of models that can be converted to become suitable), so more like your living commander in a suit, maybe along the lines of those silly walkers in the third Matrix movie.

**Rook**

you know that would be cool. A marine force that turned against the Emperor but instead of going to Chaos, they just retreated past the eastern fringe and borrow technology from Alien races, so Crisis suits, Demirug weapons, Eldar fings...

Maybe the commander has a moded out Tau Crisis Suit built for close combat with a Dreadnought CCW attached to one arm and other extra space marine add-ons. Oblits could be a bunch of things made from Demirugs (new squats) or Eldar mixed with marine stuff.

Even the Thousand Sons can be basically the Marines attempt at making their own Wraithguard by capturing their allies spirits in soul stones and animating them in their former armor.

Anyway if you wanted to just do a non-demonic demon prince you could always do with an immensely teched up marine leader with dreadnought parts attached to a normal marine body and parts made out of tanks attached to keep their hero alive after the grave should have rightfully taken him (I'd imagine their tech priests would have all run off at this point because of their own loyalties to the machine cult, so the marines would be forced to deal with whatever they can muster to make, like if Orks made a marine dreadnought).

**Terminizzle**

I like and appreciate the suggestions. Turtle, your idea of checking out other miniature ranges has kept me occupied for at least an hour

**morfangdakka**

I would say the Chaos model from the Inquisotr line could work as your DP or the regular space marine model in the Inquistor line. For the Greater deamon you could use a defiler model and make it into a giant walker. This could be the mechanical form of your armies leader that contains his essence.

**Terminizzle**

I guess it is a reach to imagine anything human being as powerful as a DP or Greater Demon without having a strong mechanical element. Maybe I'll end up not running the DP or Greater Demon, because I'm not sure I'd be interested in representing them the only way that really makes sense, mechanically. Still checking out models from other lines, definitely. I sort of picture both as a little larger than regular marines, with extremely powerful claws or something. I think Inquisitor scale guys are definitely too big, but I'll look into them as well. Thanks for the ideas.

**FearPeteySodes**

Terminizzle wrote:I think Inquisitor scale guys are definitely too big, but I'll look into them as well. Thanks for the ideas.

They are perfect size really for DP and other MC's. When my group was playing inquisitor i made an archon out of the female inquisitor and 40k avatar bits and the size was spot on. Hopefully that helps in getting a better feel as to the actual size.

**GrandWarmasterPinto**

You could always have your Space Marines have light mutations since very few beings who touch Chaos come away unscathed. Or if you want to go a different route for your Daemon Prince or Greater Daemon you could just have a marine hardwired into a robotic construct much like a Penitent Engine without all the forgiveness.

**Terminizzle**

Inquisitor scale models are definitely the right size for an MC, but he'd look ridiculous next to other Marines. I'm trying to find a way to show that he's as powerful as a S6 T5 beastie, but is still a humanoid. Some sort of mechanical suit is definitely feasible, but I'm still looking for ideas. I mean, I've pretty much ruled out the only 2 ways that sort of power is illustrated in this game- machines and sorcery. Sort of leaning towards some type of special suit at this point, but definitely want to at least come up with something different.

**grey_death**

I'd go the high tech marine route. After they strayed from Imperial rule, I'm sure the technological litanies went out the door as well, and they start learning the ins and outs of how their equipment actually works instead of believing some rubbish dogma preached from Mars.

Then again, not having access to all the resources they previously had at their disposal might force them into a more dire straits for gear as well.

With this concept you could go so many different directions it's ridiculous. But fun ridiculous.

I'd definitely try and hammer out a solid idea before you got started.

**Terminizzle**

A Grey Knights Brother-Captain is S6 (due to Nemesis Weapon), T4. I could definitely model something like him, with 25% more badass (5 toughness), but then he flies too? I'm actually having a pretty difficult time coming up with something original. If I take a Terminator and GS him to be a little bigger, he looks slow and heavily armored, which the DP is not. And the Terminator can't look right with wings or any sort of jump pack.

Man, this is fun though.

**GrandWarmasterPinto**

This idea would be kind of hard to do but maybe you could somehow represent a symbiosis with a parasite that makes the marine more powerful or some sort of other organic thing. I know it sounds kind of like Venom from Spider Man but I'm sure such a thing wouldn't be uncommon in the Warhammer 40K Universe either. Maybe you could even somehow model him infused with living metal...

**Terminizzle**

I like that idea. Another thing I'm considering rather than a high tech suit of armor/ equipment is some "bionic" body parts. I know I definitely want the Necrons to be a big part of my army's background, so maybe I can piece something together there.

**Solomon Lok**

well abaddon is T5 S7 or something like that i would use more of a Techmaarines route for him as well like the iron father model with conversions. or a techmarine with conversions to remove iron hands or ADMECH symbols.

**werewolfhunter**

Personally I would use a dreanought as my DP. It's the correct size, powerful, masive, and walking death. I would change the fist to be more hands (like the venerable). by adding bits - skulls, spikes, trophies, etc. he will stand out. the other thing I would do is give him his own "hand" weapon. tell you opponent before hand and they shouldn't have a problem with the change of models. as far as the "fluff", your commander was dieing at the some time that Ahriman was working on his spell. he was placed into the dread and awoke at the same time the spell went off. the combine of tech and magic made for your lord "DP" to awaken in the body and form of a dreanought without any of the normal draw backs for becoming a dread (lose of mind, etc).