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After Reading the FAQ it is stated as the Stormboyz do ot have the Waaagh! special Ability and is listed as a Typo? Where is the typo? And why wouldn't they be able to waaagh? on page 47 it lists they have the special rule, in the fast attack page on 101 it is not there. Where does this ruling come from? Not trying to be a pain in the ass just getting the info. Thanks

Probably because they're flailing their legs uselessly in the air as they shout "Waaaaagh!" because of the Jump Packs, just before they hit the ground and charge.

Which FAQ are you referring to?

Darrian

Why do you need an FAQ to know stormboyz can't Waaagh!? All you need are eyes to see the text and a grasp of the english language. Or a grasp of any language the new Ork Codex is written in...

The typo is in their army list entry, where it has Waaagh! as an entry under the stormboyz special rules. The confusion comes from the fact that in the bestiary-fluff section's stormboyz entry, the Waagh! special rule is NOT listed. And it is totally irrelevant that there is a contradiction, because:

Under the rules for Waagh! itself, it very clearly states that on the turn you Waaagh!, INFANTRY units gain a fleet of foot for that turn, etc, etc, etc. The Waagh! rule itself limits itself to infantry units only, so therefor, even if the stormboyz had the Waagh! special rule, being jump infantry, it wouldn't apply. At best they'd get a tingly sensation in their naughty places...

So tell me, oh yee of the grasp of the english language. Does Wazdakka Gutsnek not get Waaagh? He not INFANTRY, hes a bike and it IS listed in his rule section. Is this also a typo? Just because hes not INFANTRY means nothing, its in his profile. So until GW release an OFFICIAL FAQ telling which ones was the typos. Either the ommision of the trait in the army section or the Addition of the trait in the discription, no one really knows. I bets its not supposed to be there but if you come across all ham fisted at some one for asking an honest Question you ask for these sort of retorts.

Repeating the question: What FAQ is being referred to?

you should certainly feel free to assume that both Wazdakka, stormboyz, trucks, bikes, buggies and gargantuan squiggoths all get the WAAGH! special rule. Knock yourself out, make sure you list it in your army list.

But since they aren't infantry, having it means there is no effect whatsoever.

I am refering to the Independent National Warhammer 40,000 Tournament FAQ v1.1 (02/20/08)

DeathGod I am asking a question, you don't have to be a complete ASS! And yes I have a good grasp on the English Language.

Anyway so those of us with a shred of common sense would see that I am asking for a clarification for a ruling that contradicts itself as it is written in 2 different places in the Codex!

I understand that the Stormboyz are not Infantry, but oh wait they are Jump INFANTRY, Page 47 of the Ork Codex under special rules for the Stormboyz clearly reads: Mob Rule, Furious Charge, Waaagh!.

Now on page 101 of the Ork Codex it clearly states under special rules: Furious Charge, Mob Rule.

When I talked to GW (yes I know not too reliable) they said the "Forces of the Orks" Section overrules the "Orks Army List" as far as the special rules go. Also Please keep in mind that the Ork Codex is filled with mistakes...
hence the need for me to ask!

I do not want to cheat a fellow player, nor do I want to short change myself.

DeathGod you seriously need to rethink before you post such a unnecessary response. People are not slowed for asking a question, they are wise for asking. And it is because of people such as you that discourages people from asking the questions they need answered giving way to so much ignorance.

So anyone with constructive suggestions would be helpful. Thank-you

As has been pointed out, even if we grant that they have the rule, the wording of the rule means it is of no help. If the grot entry stated "May fire a lascannon twice in a single shooting phase," that wouldn't change the fact that they have no lascannon to fire, would it? Likewise, the fact that Stormies have an ability that lets an Infantry model Fleet does not change the fact that they are not Infantry models.

If you truly don't want to cheat your opponent, then not using the waagh bonus would be the way to go. It's a far stretch to say they can use it, and there are very obvious, very convincing arguements that you can't.

Jump Infantry is not the same as Infantry.

Thank you for the clarifications.

To see it from another point, the fact that they can run and scream like hell makes no difference when they're up in the sky.
They would get the Waaagh...if they walked.

Well, then again, I just imagined a bunch of Stormboyz flailing their legs while soaring high above the other boyz. Hell of a good time, pratically useless.

Then again doesn't it say in the rulebook that Jump Infantry are treated the same in all aspects except that they get that extra movement?

No news, No rumors to be had.

Move to You Make the Call.

I want to give my Grotz lascannons, now.

I would say they don't get it, which really sucks if your using a horde army backed by Gazzy.

Destrado, on the same fluffy note, Ork technology is run by ork psychology, so if the red one's go faster because they want them to, I can imagine the rokkitz moving faster too.

Skaskull wrote:I would say they don't get it, which really sucks if your using a horde army backed by Gazzy.

Destrado, on the same fluffy note, Ork technology is run by ork psychology, so if the red one's go faster because they want them to, I can imagine the rokkitz moving faster too.

That is one point of view from an imperial scholar. Same as orks being spores. It is part of the 40k fluff but that doesn't mean it's true, or should be taken as absolute.

Even the description of the Red Paint Job has a possible explanation, based around the stuff they put in the paint finding it's way to the deposit somehow, or the vehicle is better tended to.

So, just to recap, the gun doesn't have a firing mechanism but the ork believes it, so the bullets ignite and are propelled by his psychic power? No, thanks. That's poor.

Waargh = Fleet.

Gargoyles can Fleet, Swooping Hawks can Fleet.

Fleet is NOT limited to footslogging infantry. Please stop with the "They would be flailing their legs in the air-idiocy". Fleet can be fleet of wing/foot/hoof/nose/rokkit/whatever. It is just Fleet.

Why shouldn't Stormboyz be able to Fleet?

That is what we are discussing, right? Not wether it was a typo or not.

Looking forward to a real FAQ.

Pretty much anything can fleet if the rules allow it, that's a given. The point is, the Waaagh! rule isn't giving the whole army fleet if a unit might possibly be eligible for it: it says "For the duration of the turn all friendly Ork infantry units have the 'fleet of foot' rule."

Stormboys aren't exluded because having jump packs stops you Fleeting. They're excluded because the rule only permits Ork infantry to fleet.

Oh, and ditto on the FAQ. And it needs to be universally accessible - stick it in WD s well as online, IMHO. Not everybody checks the online pages, and it removes questions of legitimacy amongst players who don't necessarily know or trust one another!

And what is infantry?

Is there a difference between Infantry and infantry, like Troops and troops?

How do we apply the definitions on page 8 in BBB and those made on page 6?

Just curious really. Quite happy with the extra rokkit move given to SBs and don't really need Fleet.

Ditto. I guess that's what the argument boils down to, then. Does Infantry include Jump Infantry?

As an aside, will Stormboyz be getting 'run' under 5th? That'll just make them crazy fast.

Steelmage99 wrote:Waargh = Fleet.

Gargoyles can Fleet, Swooping Hawks can Fleet.

Fleet is NOT limited to footslogging infantry. Please stop with the "They would be flailing their legs in the air-idiocy". Fleet can be fleet of wing/foot/hoof/nose/rokkit/whatever. It is just Fleet.

Why shouldn't Stormboyz be able to Fleet?

That is what we are discussing, right? Not wether it was a typo or not.

Looking forward to a real FAQ.

The problem with that arguement is that none of what you mentioned are either orks or specifically stormboys. WAAAGH is not fleet, it is not any rule that anyone else has. The rule specifically says it pertains only to ork infantry models. Bikes likewise do not get WAAAGH because they are not infantry in the same way that stormboys are not infantry. As far as I remember jump infantry are significantly different from regular infantry, significant enough in fact to warrant their own classification in the rulebook. If you want a more contextual explanation, I would say that they are denied the fleet because they essentially fleet EVERY turn when using their particular jump pack movement.

"Infantry" does not include "Jump Infantry" any more than "Space Marines" includes "Chaos Space Marines."

Depends. I agree that the rule book specifies between the two, but at the same time the word "infantry" generally refers to troops that fight from foot, so "Jump Infantry" isn't always the clearest distinction. One might be forgiven for thinking infantry meant "things that are not vehicles." Especially when it isn't clear where exactly the typo is, just that both sentances are unlikely to both be correct.

Vandez: It seems pretty clear in that "Infantry" and "Jump Infantry" are defined to refer to different kinds of units on page 8 of the rulebook.

Steelmage99 wrote:Waargh = Fleet.

Gargoyles can Fleet, Swooping Hawks can Fleet.

Fleet is NOT limited to footslogging infantry. Please stop with the "They would be flailing their legs in the air-idiocy". Fleet can be fleet of wing/foot/hoof/nose/rokkit/whatever. It is just Fleet.

Why shouldn't Stormboyz be able to Fleet?

That is what we are discussing, right? Not wether it was a typo or not.

Looking forward to a real FAQ.

Thanks for the unwaranted insult you tossed there, anyway. Really proved your point. I was discussing the fluff reasons behind it, and they could be:

a) Eldar technology is more advanced, Tyranids can flap their wings faster, Orks will still flail their legs in the air.

b) All of the previous plus the fact that the Stormboyz are the most disciplined of all the Orks, thus less prone to such outbursts.

As for the "rules"-related reasons behind why they can't use it, they've been stated before. And you didn't even provide an answer, just your opinion. Not even a plausible reason why they should get it. And to answer your comparisons, Chaos Space Marines and Space Marines are both Space Marines, yet one of them doesn't get ATSKNF.

EDIT: Even in the Eldar Codex, some infantry got fleet and other didn't.

The problem with that arguement is that none of what you mentioned are either orks or specifically stormboys. WAAAGH is not fleet, it is not any rule that anyone else has. The rule specifically says it pertains only to ork infantry models. Bikes likewise do not get WAAAGH because they are not infantry in the same way that stormboys are not infantry. As far as I remember jump infantry are significantly different from regular infantry, significant enough in fact to warrant their own classification in the rulebook. If you want a more contextual explanation, I would say that they are denied the fleet because they essentially fleet EVERY turn when using their particular jump pack movement.

Does Infantry refer to Page 8 in the BBB? Does infantry refer to page 6? Like I said earlier, is there a distinction between Infantry/infantry, like Troops/troops? This I think is an interesting question in and of itself.
Bikes do indeed not get WAAAGH, but Wazdakka does. Of this there is zero doubt. Does anybody really believe that GW gave WAAAGH to a model that can't use it? I know this is not the best argument and it goes towards that elusive animal "Intend", but it still stands.

"Infantry" does not include "Jump Infantry" any more than "Space Marines" includes "Chaos Space Marines."

But infantry might. Assuming that there is a distinction between Infantry and infantry. You don't seem to believe so and that is a totally valid opinion.

Thanks for the unwaranted insult you tossed there, anyway. Really proved your point. I was discussing the fluff reasons behind it, and they could be:

a) Eldar technology is more advanced, Tyranids can flap their wings faster, Orks will still flail their legs in the air.

b) All of the previous plus the fact that the Stormboyz are the most disciplined of all the Orks, thus less prone to such outbursts.

As for the "rules"-related reasons behind why they can't use it, they've been stated before. And you didn't even provide an answer, just your opinion. Not even a plausible reason why they should get it. And to answer your comparisons, Chaos Space Marines and Space Marines are both Space Marines, yet one of them doesn't get ATSKNF.

EDIT: Even in the Eldar Codex, some infantry got fleet and other didn't.

I apologize. No insult was intended nor was the remark directed at you specifically. I didn't realize that you were trying to make a fluff argument in YMDC. a) Eldar technology is more advanced, Tyranids can flap their wings faster, Orks feed more power to their rokkits. See, I fixed the sentence. b) All of the previous plus the fact that the Stormboyz are the most disciplined of all the Orks, thus able to handle the extra power and when to use it. See, I did it again.
True, CSM don't get ATSKNF since it doesn't appear as a rule for them. Stormboyz on the other hand....appears to have WAAAGH (though it might be a typo).

I don't get the last line in your post. Can you please elaborate on the meaning?


In the end I believe GW will claim it a typo. The reason? It is the option that leaves them with the least work to do. Giving them a lot of time to do.....whatever it is they do in the design studio.

"Bikes do indeed not get WAAAGH, but Wazdakka does. Of this there is zero doubt."

Just because you say it doesn't make it so. The Waagh rule applies to infantry, Wazdakka is not infantry.

We're going around in circles.

Does Infantry refer to Page 8 in the BBB? Does infantry refer to page 6? Like I said earlier, is there a distinction between Infantry/infantry, like Troops/troops? This I think is an interesting question in and of itself.

I don't see any definition of "infantry" on page 6.

Does anybody really believe that GW gave WAAAGH to a model that can't use it?

Yes, I do, and so do many others.

Wazzdakka has Waaagh. Stormboyz have Waaagh. It does nothing for either of them.