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here is the list i played with on saturday.

I had a draw against 13th company, it was a blood bath and my terminators were the mvps of my army.

HQ

Lord - terminator armor, Mark of Khorne, two lightning claws - 140


Elites

6 terminator champions 2 powerfist, 1 chainfist, 1 bolter-flamer, 1 combi-plasma, 1 heavy flamer, icon of chaos glory - 300

9 chosen - 2 plasmaguns, 1 flamer, 1 meltagun
1 champion - powerweapon, icon of chaos glory
in rhino extra armor, havoc launcher
325


Troops

9 marines plasmagun, missile launcher
1 champion powerfist
in rhino extra armor, havoc missile launcher
280

9 marines plasmagun, missile launcher
1 champion powerfist
in rhino extra armor, havoc missile launcher
280

9 marines plasmagun, missile launcher
1 champion powerfist icon of chaos glory
225


Heavy

predator extra armor twin-linked lascannon heavy bolter sponsons - 150

predator extra armor twin-linked lascannon heavy bolter sponsons - 150

predator extra armor twin-linked lascannon heavy bolter sponsons - 150

total - 2000pts


so what do you think?

the termies shouldn't buy a champion, and only need 2 chainfists max, plus maybe the heavy flamer and combi flamer. I'd rather get a reaper and keep the bolters.

the chosen should have all plasma, all flamers, or all meltaguns, and drop the havoc launcher off of the rhino.

any marine units that have heavy weapons shouldn't have champions with PF's just because either the PF or the heavy weapon will be wasted.

finally the preds should have all anti tanks weapons or all anti infantry weapons. meaning take all lascannons or all HB's and AC's

i understand where you're comming from with the terminators, but i like to use them in this list as a rapid response force. The icons in the army allow them to deepstrike where i need them, hence the heavy flamer which will do more damage when they deepstrike in close to the enemy.

The chosen, like the other three marines squads are multipurpose units, which i understand may not always be the most optimal build for every turn, but with the new rules where all chaos marines have bolters bolt pistols and chainswords, having a powerfist champion allows the squad to be effective in hand to hand.

The army is based around mobility combined with heavy weapons fire and the ability to react to the enemies actions by out-manouvering them to create a refused flank to pick off enemy units piecemeal.

the mobility aspect of the army is enhanced by the combination of twin-linked lascannon and heavy bolter predators by allowing them to move and fire all their heavy weapons.

the mixed use units allow the army to not have any unit that is not expendable. Any unit can be sacrificed without diminishing the overall effectivness of the army.

I like to bait the enemy into assaulting one of my squads that i push out to get them into position to be destroyed at short range with the bolters and other 24" or less range guns in the army.

The rhinos with havoc launchers act as tanks in their own right as well.

that havoc launcher just isn't worth the points though. your better off buying another combi bolter for less pts and about the same effectiveness (especially at 12"). sure the mobility thing is nice, but the preds just need one weapon pop and boom they cannot deal with enemy armor, and you don't have enough additional anti tank to make up for that. plus without the chosen being able to infiltrate they are a waste of points for extra special weapons. just pick up a regular marines unit for them instead with 2 meltaguns and the champ with powerfist, you could almost get another rhino then with extra points.

i see what yer saying about the chosen

they are expensive for what the unit can do...

I could drop the chosen for another marine squad not in a rhino maybe with an icon for a teleport homer for the termies.

And iwas also thinking about dropping a predator to go with three obliterators.

that would be a very good idea to do