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2 x Demon Prince - 510 pts
-flight
-Mark of Nurgle
-Cloud of Flies
-Aura of Decay
-Iron Hide
-Breath of Chaos

Epidemius - 110 pts

Great Unclean One - 160 pts
-Aura of Decay

2 x 20 x Plaguebearers - 660 pts
-Icon
-Instrument of Chaos

3 x Nurglings - 39 pts

Total - 1499 pts

The plan revolves around getting Epidemius's tally high enough so that the Plaguebearer's/Nurglings can do some dmg. The BoC's are for the skimmers and the AoD's are for horde armies. All thoughts welcome!

Dont make the DPs that horrendusly expensive, and you can bring an extra one instead. Try them with just gaze or something so they can start making tally count in r1.

Smaller units of PB will allow for more nurglings also, wich with Epidemus are the damage output in your army.

If you take Epidemius, you want lots of Nurgle squads.
But I think that a mixture of fast and durable units would result in a better list.

I'd break up those Plaguebearer squads up into smaller units and not take quite so many maybe 3 units of 10 or so. Get some more Nurglings in there. They become the true power of the list once the Tally is up as they each start getting 3 power weapon attacks that wound on 2+. Plus they don't suffer from S&P. PBs are great icon bearers, but you don't want too many points invested in them as the struggle to kill quickly and once the tally is up nurglings are much scarier. DPs are important but they just cost too damned much. I'd drop Aura of Decay as its mostly superfluous. Even against hordes they will probably be too tough(Orks,Sisters) or annihilated in hand to hand anyway(Guard, Tau). I'd give the GUO breath or maybe gaze if you want to give him a shooting attack. Dropping 10 plague bearers and 2 aura should save enough for more nurglings and perhaps a cheap third daemon prince to help get the tally up.

I actually prefer the nurglings myself as well. It's just the fact that they're not scoring that made me want to use mostly Plaguebeareres.

I appreciate everyone's feedback, but now I'm starting to think maybe Epidimius lists are too risky. It could really suck if Epidimius came out late in the game.

Unless someone can convince me that this list is viable even without the tally, I may re-consider a Skarbrand & Daemonettes list.

Its pretty much a gamble, as it always is with demons.

If you split an Epi army so you get Epi + guard, Kugath, 3 DPs for first drop, you are in good condition. But then again, if you get wrong, you are toast.

adam_gipson wrote:I actually prefer the nurglings myself as well. It's just the fact that they're not scoring that made me want to use mostly Plaguebeareres.

I appreciate everyone's feedback, but now I'm starting to think maybe Epidimius lists are too risky. It could really suck if Epidimius came out late in the game.

The real issue is that nurgle is very slow, and a Tallyman list is going to mostly be relying on S&P rolls to get anywhere. Besides the princes the enemy can generally keep away from your über-bearers and go for the objectives or isolate the actual killing elements.

On building Tallyman lists, princes are where the initial tally is going to get boosted, until you get the first couple upgrades - which mostly affect plaguebearers and heralds, as they have plague swords - then the troops can lay in. Eventually you hit those sexy power weapons and nurglings become the nastiness of a sudden. I have heard debate about taking Kugath, as his ranged attak helps close the distance that the army's slowness makes such an issue. Something to think about.

Prince-wise, I agree with knocking some points off those two and getting a third. I'd say a good min build is:

Demon Prince - MoN, iron hide, noxious touch, cloud of flies = 155

Yes, no wings. Your call if you think paying 430 for 2 flying princes or 465 points for 3 walking princes is the better deal. Again, there's the speed issue to keep in mind, but on the flipside the princes will be the ones getting the tally high as fast as possible, while also being targeted like crazy by the enemy.

- Salvage

Noxious touch you will get after 10 kills, so that shouldnt be a "must" on your DPs. What you really need is something to help up the tally and thats either gaze or breath.. i prefer gaze since it has longer range and DPs have high BS.

Kugath is good for ranged tally kills also, and can create more nurglings for the scenarios that dont uses KP, if your in one of them you have to hide your litte ones.

Last but not least, plaguebearers will almost only be used as objective grabbers and epidemus protection, so you shouldnt be too dependant on them and their SnP rolls. Bring more nurglings, at 10w tally when they get noxious touch they are king.