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2008/07/30 13:43:54
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Yellin' Yoof on a Scooter
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Hi all, i apologise if this is a noob question, but please humour me. What is the deal with space marines special rule ATSKNF. If they are in close combat and lose, failing their leadership test do they still have to do the iniative roll off to see if they are destroyed or not? Or do they just fall back and not be sweeping advanced? I'm confused, when does this rule apply?
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2008/07/30 13:48:27
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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because of ATSKNF marines may rally below half, and are never killed outright because of a sweeping advance (they suffer no retreat instead), though if they "succeed" in the initiative test they may still run away.
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2008/07/30 13:54:24
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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Never mind, come October 4th the emperor's finest SHALL know fear.... 
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2008/07/30 13:57:39
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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What makes you say that?
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"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
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2008/07/30 14:06:53
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Ultramarine Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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They're dropping ATSKNF as a special rule and replacing it with 'combat tactics'
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While you sleep, they'll be waiting...
Have you thought about the Axis of Evil pension scheme? |
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2008/07/30 14:12:34
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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oh right "combat tactics" soon they choose to auto pass or auto fail morale checks lets just remove chance from the game eh?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2008/07/30 14:13:12
"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
-Joseph Stalin
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2008/07/30 15:37:21
Subject: Re:And they shall know no fear
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Your choice is to Auto fail or roll. There is not choice for auto pass, last I heard.
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2008/07/30 15:38:33
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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That sucks so then they can be killed in a SA now?
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"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas."
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2008/07/30 15:58:19
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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I heard they were keeping it and adding combat tactics. Who knows for sure?
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2008/07/30 16:05:17
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Oh I hope they are removing it for combat tactics, I had just assumed they would be keeping it. But then I was planning on breaking alot of things in CC with my dark eldar and space marines were going to be a big pain.
regarding the OP's question: If they fail the leadership test you do roll the initiative check, if the space marines win they break off as normal, if they lose then they stack locked and take additional wounds per the "fearless" rules.
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2008/08/01 18:05:48
Subject: Re:And they shall know no fear
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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Well, I don't know if it'll be there or not, and I won't speculate... I will say that the prospect doesn't look good, considering that it wasn't in this edition's USR's.
Eric
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2008/08/01 18:27:03
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Stormin' Stompa
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I seem to remember that both Combat Tactics and ATSKNF figured in the pictures of the Sternguard and Vanguard entries in the new Codex.
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2008/08/01 18:30:51
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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I looked back at that picture from a Gamesday of the new Space Marines codex page for Kor'sarro Khan, and his special rules include ATSKNF.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v415/AceGunman/1213549046183.jpg
Edit: link added.
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2008/08/01 18:43:01
Subject: And they shall know no fear
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Nurgle Predator Driver with an Infestation
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ATSKNF is in the new codex. They just get more stuff on top of it, such as Combat Tactics. The marines get better in the new codex, not worse.
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