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Hey, trying for a MC list here. Two options, the first with more MCs, the second a bit more balanced. Has anyone played a big nasty demon list like this before? I sort of expect disaster...
Not enough demon lists.

Balanced List

HQ
Bloodthirster 270
Deathstrike 20

Skulltaker 175
Jugger 35

Herald of Slannesh 50
Gaze 5
Total
555

Troops
Pink Horrors(5) 85
Icon, Bolt, Changeling 40

Plaguebearers(5) 75
Icon 25

Plaguebearers(5) 75
Icon 25
Total
350

Heavy
DP 80
Iron Hide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125

DP 80
Iron Hide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125
Total
410

Elites
Boodcrushers(4) 160
Icon 25
Total
185

Overall: 1495


Big Demon List
HQ
Bloodthirster 270
Wargear Deathstrike 20

Bloodthirster 270
Wargear Deathstrike 20
Total
540

Troops
Pink Horrors(6) 119
Wargear:Icon, Bolt, Changeling 40

Pink Horrors(6) 119
Wargear:Icon, Bolt 35
Total
348

Heavy
DP 80
Gear:Iron Hide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125

DP 80
Gear:Iron Hide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125

DP 80
Gear:Iron Hide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125
total
615


Overall
1503

You need more troops that will last. Even in 1000 point battles, I take 3. And though that number stays the same for the next 500 points, I always make sure to add to the squads, making them better and better.

Shrike78 wrote:You need more troops that will last. Even in 1000 point battles, I take 3. And though that number stays the same for the next 500 points, I always make sure to add to the squads, making them better and better.

I know troops are good, and more troops better, but I want to field lots of big demons, like nidzilla, but with demons.

I am beginning to suspect that the codex may not really be able to do that, but if you can see a way to get a list like that working, I would be happy to hear it.

I think you are better off with unholy might on the BTs instead of deathstrike. Having the ability to instantly kill toughness 4 models is very valuable.

drop deathstrike, like sxtreme said, and get more troops

Here's a slightly updated list. I kept deathstrike on the princes since they would only be getting S6, which is good as well, but I think having the S7 assault weapon is pretty handy too. Maybe that's wrong.

I also added more troops and threw in Plaguebearers for holding down objectives. I used the "sacred number" stuff just so that the points work out. Should I up the unit numbers on the PBs and drop some horrors?

HQ
Bloodthirster 250
Options Unholy Might 20

Bloodthirster 250
Options Unholy Might 20

Total
540

Troops
Pink Horrors(9) 153
Options Icon, Bolt, Changeling 40

Plague Bearers(7) 105
Options Icon 25

Total
348

Heavy
DP 80
Options IronHide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125

DP 80
Options IronHide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125

DP 80
Options IronHide, MoK, Flight, Deathstrike 125

total
615

Overall
1503

Still not enough troops...drop a Bloodthirster and one of the DP's to get more.

Dude more troops... more troops ... more troops I run 20 Bloodletters, 20 daemon whores, 10 pinkies minimum for 1500 pts. Bloodthirster are great but you need the uber chicken of change... The Fateweaver. You have 2 inches between each mini use it stretch those boy out till they are with in 6 inches of him at all time, 5+ saves suck but they are alot better when you get a re-roll. Think about 20 bloodletters hitting a squad of well of just about anything, you charge 60 power weapon hits... umm can we say dead??? Take a SoulGrinder the new line of site rule they are high enough to see most anything on the board, puke and lick them till they are dead! lol

But the most important thing is to...... Have fun so do what you want and enjoy doing it! lol.

Dr_Chin wrote:Dude more troops... more troops ... more troops I run 20 Bloodletters, 20 daemon whores, 10 pinkies minimum for 1500 pts. Bloodthirster are great but you need the uber chicken of change... The Fateweaver. You have 2 inches between each mini use it stretch those boy out till they are with in 6 inches of him at all time, 5+ saves suck but they are alot better when you get a re-roll. Think about 20 bloodletters hitting a squad of well of just about anything, you charge 60 power weapon hits... umm can we say dead??? Take a SoulGrinder the new line of site rule they are high enough to see most anything on the board, puke and lick them till they are dead! lol

But the most important thing is to...... Have fun so do what you want and enjoy doing it! lol.

Ahah, I appreciate all the suggestions, but that is sort of the opposite of how I wanted this army to play.
I know that I COULD build a much better army from the codex, but I want to run with two greater demons and at least two demon princes. I can accept that my list won't be "top-end" but is there any way to make it a better more versitle list with the constraints of using MCs?
I did think about fateweaver, but sort of assumed that his rerolls would be wasted on an army whose core is monstrous creatures.

Do you think that trading a DP for the Soulgrinder is a good idea? I would probably need to drop 2 of the princes to make up the points, then fill it in with more troops, which again, is not what I was aiming for.

I might just scrap the army idea. I ought to proxy it though...

I hear ya, I would use the FateWeaver he is good for saves and dishing out three range attacks per turn

As for you MCs I would use one Khorne and one Slaanesh, give one the lash it comes in handy often. I know you like MC but the The Masque is great for moving troops where you need them.

The problems with daemons that I can tell is lack of ranged combat, so the Pinkies are a absolute must I never run less then 10 with the Changeling bolt is not needed unless you are going against a mech army and if you are the daemonetts can handle alot of stuff since in 5th everything is getting hit in the rear from assult, they rend so assult the hell out of them. I took out a hellhound and a LR with 1 charge, so its possible (and lots of 6's). I like to put in a squad of 5 Pinkies just to hold an objective it works out great but your PB would be better.
As for the SoulGrinder that is what a young man has to ask him self on a daily basis, to soulgrinder or not, if you are going against alot of lascannons ... NO if you are not Yes, troop heavy people hate it its nasty with the armor of 13 they will need something bigger to go though it and on a 1 or 2 (damage chart) does nothing.

I hope this helps you out, I played SM army on Saturday using the new (Broken codex) and I did well

The list I play is about

Fateweaver
Skulltaker
The Masque

20 Bloodletters
20 Daemonetts
10 Horrors w/ Changling
10 horrors

SoulGrinder

He played
Pedro Cantor
Chaplin with (I don’t remember I just remember he died easy lol)

2 dreadnoughts (plasma, CC)
10 LOD

2 squads of sniper troops (5 troops in each w/sgt)
3 tactical squads (10 troops in each w/sgt)

A vindicator

When it was over he had the Vindicator
Pedro
2 LOD’s

I had 7 Daemonetts
12 Blookletters
Fateweaver
Skulltaker
Masque
SoulGrinder.
3 horrors

As for the SoulGrinder that is what a young man has to ask him self on a daily basis, to soulgrinder or not, if you are going against alot of lascannons ... NO if you are not Yes, troop heavy people hate it its nasty with the armor of 13 they will need something bigger to go though it and on a 1 or 2 (damage chart) does nothing.

Thanks for the input.
I agree that the 'grinder is really for anti-horde work, but I feel like I need two of them to make it count.

Skulltaker is also really nice, as is the masque. I really like your HQ setup to be honest, but like I mentioned, the MCs :/

I'll try to move some more points around and max a bit more on the troops so I get two squads of 10.

Here's a new direction.
Fateweaver and three soulgrinders, which turned out to be cheaper than the DPs and probably more useful. I am just not sure that Fateweaver is better than a second BT to be honest, but I can see how he could come in really useful since I have the 3 grinders and 10 Horrors.

HQ
Bloodthirster 270
Options Unholy Might 20
Fateweaver 333

Total
603

Troops
Pink Horrors(10) 170
Options Icon, Bolt, Changeling 40
Plague Bearers(10) 150
Options Icon 25

Total
410

Heavy
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25

total
480

Overall
1493

Actually, I'd consider dropping Unholy Might on the Thirster and swap Fateweaver for a GUO with Cloud of Flies and Breath of Chaos. Why? This will give you points to put into Troops choices.

Part of the reason Zilla lists work is because their troops are exceedingly cheap, and often disposable to a degree. Daemons aren't.

I'd consider trying to find points for at least another PB squad with Icon, making both 7- or 8-strong if need be. You might also consider making the Horrors two units of 5 with a bolt (no icons), giving you more Troops squads and more Bolts to help take out tanks.

tzeentchling wrote:Actually, I'd consider dropping Unholy Might on the Thirster and swap Fateweaver for a GUO with Cloud of Flies and Breath of Chaos. Why? This will give you points to put into Troops choices.

Part of the reason Zilla lists work is because their troops are exceedingly cheap, and often disposable to a degree. Daemons aren't.

I'd consider trying to find points for at least another PB squad with Icon, making both 7- or 8-strong if need be. You might also consider making the Horrors two units of 5 with a bolt (no icons), giving you more Troops squads and more Bolts to help take out tanks.

What about lists that use genestealer broods. They cost the same/model as demonettes. I guess I need icons as well, which makes them less disposable.

Is there still a way to have a less zilla list that still uses MCs, maybe just as list with 3 'grinders and 4 heralds then 20 PBs?

You don't need icons, it just requires more strategic deepstriking and yes more troops looks to be in demand here.

Okay, ANOTHER list. This time with more troops, same MCs, no Fateweaver.

HQ
Bloodthirster 270
Options Unholy Might 20
Bloodthirster 270
Options Unholy Might 20

Total
540

Troops
Plague Bearers(10) 120
Options Icon 25
Plague Bearers(10) 120
Options Icon 25
Pink Horrors(5) 85
Options Bolt 10
Pink Horrors(5) 85
Options Bolt 10

Total
480

Heavy
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25

Total
480

Overall
1500

If you are trying to make a general list this looks ok, but where I play I am against hordes of orks, 90-150 orks you would get your butt handed to you, just keep and open mind about the bloodletters and fateweaver. I dont care if you have feel no pain if you have the possibility of 120 wounds coming at you, look out. I had a squad of 20 bloodletters assault 2 squads of 30 orks and sent them packing (lots of good rolls and his boss pole took a few with him lol). if you are making a general list yours is ok, know your enemy you have to with daemons or you are going to loose.

Better list, I think. Decent amount of Troops, some shooting, still a decent number of Zillas. I'd go for this if that's what you want to do. You could also swap out a PB squad for another lesser daemon unit, but at this point you just need to try out the list and see what works and what doesn't.

Yeah, I agree that the list is not specialized, but it has some pie plates to lay down on hordes, and I am happy that I got both BTs in there.
I'll give it some testing then get the models together.
Thanks for the input!

Edit: just noticed your points were off for the Plaguebearers. There's only 8 in those squads instead of 10 as you have listed if their points value is correct. Still, not bad, and it doesn't compromise the list or anything.

graypaint wrote:Okay, ANOTHER list. This time with more troops, same MCs, no Fateweaver.

HQ
Bloodthirster 270
Options Unholy Might 20
Bloodthirster 270
Options Unholy Might 20

Total
540

Troops
Plague Bearers(10) 120
Options Icon 25
Plague Bearers(10) 120
Options Icon 25
Pink Horrors(5) 85
Options Bolt 10
Pink Horrors(5) 85
Options Bolt 10

Total
480

Heavy
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25
Soulgrinder 135
Options Phlegm 25

Total
480

Overall
1500

Much more better.As you like big guys,you can take GUO.

tzeentchling wrote:Edit: just noticed your points were off for the Plaguebearers. There's only 8 in those squads instead of 10 as you have listed if their points value is correct. Still, not bad, and it doesn't compromise the list or anything.

Indeed I had the points right but left the number wrong.
Thanks for pointing that out. Too bad that PBs are so damn expensive.