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**Brother Condon**

Help me out here guys. In the daemon codex there is a few options that you can give various guys that give you both offen. and def. grenades, but also makes it so you get no str bonus vs armor pin. Does this mean that a MC with one of these abilities is only 2d6 armor pin, no str added ?

**airmang**

no this just means that they don't get the S4 bonus they would for using assault grenades. It's only really hinders Daemonettes.

**Gwar!**

Firstly, this isn't a chat room, there is no need to abbreviate so heavily. It just makes your post unreadable and makes it less likely anyone will want to help.

But no, MC's will still get their S+2d6 just fine, all the reference to the loss of strength modifier means is that they may not use the S4 attack you normally get from offensive grenades against vehicles

**Brother Condon**

? did you just tell me not to abbreviate in one sentence. and then abbreviate in the next?

**Gwar!**

Please read my Post:

Gwar! wrote:there is no need to abbreviate so heavily

I use, In total, 3 Abbreviations which are pretty standard ones, MC, S for Strength and 2d6.

You go off with off. Def. Str. Pin. S. 2d6 etc etc.

**MinMax**

Gwar! wrote:You go off with off. Def. Str. Pin. 2d6 etc etc.

Uh... none of those are really big deals.

Who doesn't say Armour Pen (It should be Pen, not Pin). And really, complaining about Offen. and Def. Grenades? That's a little excessive.

And 2d6? That's absurd. No one's going to say "2 six-sided dice added together."

**Brother Condon**

thanks, I am glad to know that 3 is the magic #