Forfeiting on Turn 1: Justified or bad sportsmanship?

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**Mannahnin**

Well, it's tough to tell if nothing had really happened. The OP gave us too little data to judge for certain. While we can tell that he actually hadn't suffered serious casualties yet, if a lot of his models were actually in Reserve (though poor play) he may have been in a very bad situation, positionally.

**Necroshea**

Grey Templar wrote:
Except the Ork player knew he was facing a Draigowing list. he agreed to the game and probably knew the exact GK list.

This isn't being disputed. At least by me it's not. If I had a super casual list and some guy who's not a complete arse wants to play me with his super hardcore tourny list fine.

Grey Templar wrote:
The fact he built a bad list and then quit on turn 1 when nothing had even really happened yet speaks volumes.

You might want to reread the op. Here is the part in particular that you seemed to have glossed over.

My first turn I use libbys Prescience on Draigo's unit. With it I manage to kill all but 9 boyz in one unit (pretty much every shot went through). They fail their leadership and start to retreats. The other unit with my Libby does almost as good, killing 13 boys in the other unit. That ends my turn since I scouted and I couldn't assault.

His turn he has his battle wagon charge up to my Draigon unit, and uses it as a shield blocking the warboss trukk from my line of sight. He then has his stormboyz use their jump packs and move in of his regular boyz. He it at most 5 inches from my paladins. He forgoes shooting (why?) and declares an assault with his stormboyz. I overwatch and managed to kill two. He rolls for his assault...

And rolls a snake eyes.

Now, I've glanced through this thread and never saw a points total listed, or a proper army list posted, however, as far as I know, getting 2 squads of boy obliterated by ranged fire, then having a dedicated assault mob fail at assaulting and stand there waiting for that same ranged fire to be pointed their way next turn doesnt sound like "nothing happened".

**Grey Templar**

A real ork player shouldn't even feel 24 ork boyz, especially at 2000 points.

And a failed assault is simply a risk that might happen. Why did he have only one unit attempting to do that charge(aside from the fact that charging paladins with anything except assault terminators is incredibly stupid)

**Necroshea**

He also missed that shooting phase, that wasn't very smart either, so it's obvious he's not the greatest ork player.

However, regardless of how he got to that point, he suffered massive casualties. If this were a tournament, simply forfeiting should not be allowed. You signed up for a tourny environment, so deal with it.

But it wasn't. He got stomped by a notorious list in a casual game. Kill/Victory points didn't matter, the outcome of the game didn't mean anything outside of just being the end to a casual game.

I think OP making a thread like this speaks more about his sportmanship than the guy playing the bad list who didn't know what he was doing.

**Grey Templar**

24 orks is massive casualities?

**Agen**

Necroshea wrote:
Regarding the OP, I'm with the ork player. For starters, you're running draigo. How fun. He was getting smashed, so what's the point in going on? Instead of the game being a one sided waste of time (let's not kid ourselves here, that would have been the case), he decided to end it there, perhaps to play someone with a different list.

When I play, I want myself and my opponent to be having fun. If one of us is not having fun, then what's the point? At a tourny it's different of course, but friendly play? Yeah no, you stomped my casual list in a single turn, I quit, enjoy your Draigo victory.

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**Necroshea**

Agen wrote:
Necroshea wrote:
Regarding the OP, I'm with the ork player. For starters, you're running draigo. How fun. He was getting smashed, so what's the point in going on? Instead of the game being a one sided waste of time (let's not kid ourselves here, that would have been the case), he decided to end it there, perhaps to play someone with a different list.

When I play, I want myself and my opponent to be having fun. If one of us is not having fun, then what's the point? At a tourny it's different of course, but friendly play? Yeah no, you stomped my casual list in a single turn, I quit, enjoy your Draigo victory.

If I recall in OP that the player they were up against wanted to table them on the first turn?. Now tell me where is the fun in that, hmm? Well where is it?

You recall wrong

The guy I played against used Orks and was very nice, agreeing to play a game of 2055 to accommodate my wishlist.

Unless I just keep missing that part. Besides, it's been pretty much proven the ork player was no tourny winner.

**daedalus**

Mannahnin wrote:
I would say the mark of the gentleman is how you react to it once you know (or think) you're beaten. The fact that they were willing to play it out for the integrity of the tournament speaks to good sportsmanship.

I absolutely agree with you on that last part. As I said, that's a complication of forfeiture I'd not considered previously. I suppose when I say "mark of the gentleman" along with concession is not simply saying you've been beaten, but sincerely congratulating your opponent on winning, shaking his hand, and pouring everyone a brandy after polishing your monocle. Table-flippers need not apply.

I thanked them after the fact for putting up with the rest of the game, and then we sat there chatting with them for a while afterward about what we felt went wrong and what went right. It all seemed good in spite of the all too frustrating one-sidedness.

**Jidmah**

Plumbumbarum wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

Due to limitation in the amount of model-carrying containers a single person can carry without growing extra arms, bringing a fluff or fun list and a competitve list at the same time is kind of impossible.

What is exactly unfluffy about a deadly, dangerous force scoring a decesive win against the enemy in the world of only war? I have a hard time getting my head around this, especialy that an obvious conclusion from such competitive =/= fluff claims is that a badly composed and incompetent happy bunch of soldiers is what fits 40k best.

"a badly composed and incompetent happy bunch of soldiers" is probably the very definition of "orks"

**Grey Templar**

Jidmah wrote:
Plumbumbarum wrote:
Jidmah wrote:

Due to limitation in the amount of model-carrying containers a single person can carry without growing extra arms, bringing a fluff or fun list and a competitve list at the same time is kind of impossible.

What is exactly unfluffy about a deadly, dangerous force scoring a decesive win against the enemy in the world of only war? I have a hard time getting my head around this, especialy that an obvious conclusion from such competitive =/= fluff claims is that a badly composed and incompetent happy bunch of soldiers is what fits 40k best.

"a badly composed and incompetent happy bunch of soldiers" is probably the very definition of "orks"

I wouldn't say incompetent, orks are anything but incompetent at waging war.

**Slipstream**

Years ago I played in a club tournament and lost without actually getting a chance to take my first turn! My opponent promptly packed up and went somewhere else. How's that for sportsmanship?