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Can you have two Hand Weapons and Shield on the same guy or no because I use Army Builder and it said you can?

Yes you can have both, but you must spec. what combo (weapon and Sheild or 2-hand weapons) and they must keep that combo thought the whole fight.

Ok thanks man.

This must be done in the first round of combat before any blows are struck (including impact hits).

I have a question to add to this thread.

This came up during a game with my friend's WoC: If his chaos warriors have purchased both an additional hand weapon and a shield and choose to fight with two hand weapons in a particular instance of close combat, do they still gain the normal +1 shield bonus for having a shield? (making his armor save with chaos armor and a shield 3+)

I know that they would not gain the additional +1 for fighthing an enemy from the front while using a hand weapon and a shield, but I cannot find anywhere in the main rulebook that says they must be using their shield to gain the usual +1 benefit.

Now obviously logic dictates that gaining an armor bonus for having a shield that you are not using is ridiculous. However, I was unable to find anywhere in the main rulebook where this is explicitly stated. Can someone please clarify whether or not his warriors would get an armor bonus when carrying, but not using, a shield?

You keep the +1 shield bonus in combat unless you're using a two handed-weapon. The only thing you forfeit by not declaring Shield and Hand Weapons in CC is the extra +1.

Jin, I don't think that's correct. By this logic, a model equipped with a great weapon, halberd, or flail can still benefit from a shield (if not the hand weapon and shield bonus).

I don't think I've ever seen it played that way, though I couldn't find anything in a quick flip through the rulebook stating one way or the other.

RZ

HW and shield require two hands to use, so any other weapon that requires two hands as well can't be used at the same time as a shield.

So no +1 armour bonus for guys using great weapons or halberds as they are both two handed weapons.

Although they can use the shield vs missle weapons.

Sure, but to Jin's point- would you assume the same for guys using a pair of hand weapons, but also equipped with a shield?

RZ

Ah crud, perplexiti got what I was trying to say, but I forgot to add in the caveat about two hand-weapons in addition to other two-handed weapons. My bad. So I'm in agreement with you RZ

A shield take sa hand to use while in CC. So does a Handweapon.l

If you have two handweapons you do not have a hand left for the shield, so you cannot use it.

Save drops to 4+

An additonal hand weapon takes up a hand thats why you cant use a shield with it. Just like other two handed weapons.

Yep, I think we're all on the same page now.
RZ

Bear in mind that a model equipped with a shield and great weapon or xhw can still gain the benefits of the shield against enemy shooting & magic before he reaches HtH. It’s just once he actually gets into a fight that he has to deal with the limit of how many hands he has.