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While walking back from the store I ran into some young punks riding on bikes. Nothing crazy, they just tried to run over a guy in front of me who was just talking on a cell phone minding his own business. Then they tried to do the same thing to me so I got ready to block the first guy then land a nice nose plumper on the second. Needless to say the kid on the bike freaked out when he saw me getting ready to knock him off his bike, and the last guy started to laugh... funny thing was he was the cat that was going to take the major pain if they asked for it. (Kick knees, sick balls, and make sure you start with the big one first, because they are all afraid of him most likely).

Anyway, got stories? Perhaps ways to deal with situations like this without having to kick a kids ass?

Smoke a cigarette. Kids don't mess with people smoking, they're too cool.

If they do mess with you put it out in one of their eyes then jump on the others scratching and biting, go for the face. Make sure you scream about how your mother's not a whore so it freaks them out.

Bicycles are easy to deal with, all you have to do is jam something in the front spoke and the rider goes face first into the pavement.


Also next time if you are punching aim for the throat. It's the quickest way to disable an attacker without killing them. (I would hate to have you be brought up on manslaughter charges, by accidentally driving some cartalige into some punks brain.)


Or you could always reach in your coat like you are going for a gun. That usually scares them off.

Clthomps wrote:Bicycles are easy to deal with, all you have to do is jam something in the front spoke and the rider goes face first into the pavement.

I couldnt have agreed more . When i was in grade 1 there is this guy that always ride around his bicycle pulling my hair and ride away before i can catch him.

Then i had a stick ready ( he fell reaaaaally badly )

though he didnt stop there , but its another incident not bicycle related...

Flip the first on his ass (use above method) punch the other in gut works the best.

@ Nofasse 'Eadhunta




Something I find funny is that you need a permit for mace and most tazers in California, at least as far as I know. In such a liberal state I would expect the cops to be handing out non-lethal self defense weapons... but that would mean some actual thought put into a plan, and that doesn't seem to have anything to being liberal anymore...

I do know that you can get in a lot of trouble for defending yourself in nearly any situation, and that is totally preposterous. I am a pretty big fan of mace, it really seems to do the trick for anyone in a normal state of mind. Nothing like seeing an douche-bag writhing on the ground screaming in pain after trying to attack you.

Super sweet extra kick taco sauce designed to take out any dum-dums up to 3 yards. I have considered getting blast knuckles just because they are WAY to cool.



Anyone know where I can find information about non-lethal self defense in California? There is a whole lot of stuff about guns and general manslaughter madness, but not too much about how to go about avoiding that in the first place... I hate to say it, but this strange mentality of inaction without information astounds me.

Here is something.

http://www.southerncaliforniadefenseblog.com/2009/02/assault_in_battery_in_californ_1.html

This is good too, but it is from a store, not that makes a huge difference.

http://www.knifedealsplus.com/California-Law.html

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't use the term "punks" as those of us who enjoy punkish music/scene generally aren't little tards like that. Anyway, just be a little bit threatening to the kids. Nothing serious, but I've noticed that when I wear my studded jacket around the young morons give me space. Looking pissed off helps.

Mad Rabbit wrote:I'd appreciate if you wouldn't use the term "punks" as those of us who enjoy punkish music/scene generally aren't little tards like that. Anyway, just be a little bit threatening to the kids. Nothing serious, but I've noticed that when I wear my studded jacket around the young morons give me space. Looking pissed off helps.

Don't be so sensitive Rabbit,the sort of music/scene we are into and the little dipsh#%s Wrexasaur is talking about are totaly diffrent animals,even though I get where your coming from .
More OT,Rabbit is right about looking pissed,give them an " I'm going to choke you until your eyes pop out" look,that usauly sends idiots like that running,and if it doesn't..just choke 'em until their eyes pop out.

Oooh...Blast Knuckles

I want some.

I have to deal with the bogan kids down the road all the time, so I know what you're dealing with here. Just sidestep and kick the bike over. You get bonus points if they fall onto the road and gak themselves when a car nearly runs them over.

I used to hang out a bit with real punks (musical punks just sounds... odd) and they were rowdy but not in places they weren't wanted.

A punk party is bound to have a pretty vicious mosh pit, and shows are no exception. Never dug the whole "must bleed before night ends" thing, but hey, each to their own.

avantgarde wrote:Smoke a cigarette. Kids don't mess with people smoking, they're too cool.

If they do mess with you put it out in one of their eyes then jump on the others scratching and biting, go for the face.

That actually works very well. Substitute kicks with boots to knees and there you go.

Carrying a chainsaw is really effective as well, especially if you're wearing a hockey mask. I'm just putting that out there.


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Clthomps wrote:


Or you could always reach in your coat like you are going for a gun. That usually scares them off.

This also is effective, especially if you'r wearing a large coat, especially if not especially cold out.

Stand ready to be the one arrested if they're minors and you do anything to hurt one of them.
It's a great failing in the legal system that if a punk is under 18, he can do pretty much whatever he wants and get a slap on the wrist.
Heaven help the adult that does anything, though. I think the story about the guy taking the punks on in front of his own home that was posted serves as a good reminder of how screwy laws anywhere prtect the wrong people.

I'd say if you do anything, make it look like an accident or it's not you're fault

Hmmm...

I am not actually sure how true that is Relapse, there have been quite a few crimes committed by minors in this area. Most of the time they get more than a slap on the wrist to be sure.

If someone is harassing you and threatens you physically, you are allowed to take action to defend yourself regardless of the persons age. We are not talking about kids here, these are pretty much adults that have one year to six months before becoming adults.

The court does not take kindly to ruffians trying to take advantage of the system, and this usually causes more problems than it solves. If someone runs up to you and punches you or comes VERY close to doing so, you can and should protect yourself from them. In most cases guns are seen quite badly as they are usually pretty unnecessary for most situations.

I know a guy that had to take on two teenagers with a shotgun and no brain cell between the two. Crazy stuff really, but I can't imagine him having much else of a choice in his situation. I am not the type that would disarm someone with a gun, but I would be the first to open fire on someone pointing one at me with intent to kill, no doubt.

If he was confronted with being shot, that's different. But from what you sais earlier, I gathered that they had their prank and were moving on. At that point, anything you did, would have probably gotten you in trouble.

That being said, I wish I'd been there to see it because I probably would have backed whatever you did. I really hate punks.

They pushed a guy off of the sidewalk into a bush then started speeding towards me. The most logical thing to do would to just step to the side and flick them off, no law against that. I didn't do anything to be sure, but I know these punks and how they do stuff.

I am not trying to be all gung-ho about this stuff, but some of these ruffians need a sock in the mouth to put it lightly. Would I be in the wrong if I stopped them from harassing someone else?

That should probably the question I should find out, because I know there are some very strange sentiments on that one. The main one being, how did you know there was a threat? Logical I suppose, but a rational person can usually tell when there is someone attacking someone else.

I don't see this kind of thing very often, though if they were going to hit me with their bikes I probably would have acted like you did. Then when they veered off I probably would have knocked them off anyway. Maybe knocked one around a bit.

Never really had much a problem with young scrotes.

I think I intimidate them from a distance. Quite how, I dunno. But they seem to victimise everyone but me.

Do what another user on dakka told me.
Get really bloody, and then tackle then and go all Tyler Durden.

I've always found walking past them and saying "Sup." and just walking on freaks them out.

Must beyond their mental capacity about what to do that I didn't even look like a "Oh god, they're gonna kill me" person.

It's great!

Cheers,

Jack.

"Accidently" trip/push them over then you openly apologize, "Oh silly me, here let me help you up". If in public it has to be loud and obvious. If he is still on his bike yank it towards his crotch ftw. If he wants to fight then just lay the smack down.

Otherwise just follow Golden Eyed Scout's advice.

Unleash your inner RPCS?

If kicking them off fails, you can always go all Dexter on them. Something involving an angle-grinder and plastic garbage bags?

Just putting it out there.

If idiotic try and get one to stop then lock the bike and toss the key away.

I'm getting a strong reading from this thread... but of what...

Phffft,those guys don't have nearly enough tattoos to be tough guys,although the guy on the far right looks like a buddy of mine...we call him "cupcake".

My first fight:

I was riding my BMX (a long time ago I should add) and 2 punk kids decided to try and kick at my bike. Being spontaneous I called them dicks. Pulled up at a shop further down the road to see they had run after me. Got my arse whooped and they started to walk away...

Then some super built guy walks out of the store and sees my nose bleeding all over the place. I point to the kids and he runs up to them, picks up the first one by the throat and head butts him full in the face. 2nd kids flees crying like a little girl. Big guy jumps into his van saying something like "Don't worry, he won't get far".

Gotta say that was kinda cool and disturbing at the same time.

Shoot them. Shoot them now. Problem solved.

LunaHound wrote: though he didnt stop there , but its another incident not bicycle related...

-I'm intrigued Luna, tell me more .

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

LunaHound wrote: though he didnt stop there , but its another incident not bicycle related...

-I'm intrigued Luna, tell me more .

Get your mind out of the gutter.

The rest of us want in.