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I just wanted to find out what fellow Dakka users thought of my fluff for my chapter:

THE RETRIBUTORS

They are a second founding chapter of the Dark Angels, and recruit mainly from Dark Angels chapters, but also Black Templars, and only recruit fully fledged marines. These Marines are veterans, and have suffered extreme loss, and voluntarily join the chapter, due to its promises of vengeance upon the marine's enemies.
Upon induction, the astartes undergo an operation to remove the previous geneseed, and insert the retributor geneseed. This occasionly leads to the marine becoming physically ill, and is the reason why the chapter only possesses little more than three whole companies.
Like the Dark angels, they are dark, mysterious, and elusive, and are pursued by the inquisition, who beleive the entire chapter is corrupted by slaanesh, because the astartes members care more about vengeance than they have actual faith in the Emperors divine existence and potency.

also, what codex should I use? I was thinking dark angels, as that would represent the fluff better, but would players consider it better to use the universal rules, because t is a made up chapter?

Marines wouldn't survive having their geneseed removed. Why do you think it doesn't get removed until they're dead?

Why wouldn't they survive? loss of blood? Traumatisement?

They could just have it surgically altered I suppose, what do you think?

Because the geneseed organ (Progenoid or whatever you call it) is just as vital as a heart. It's the core of their genetics, it's what makes them a Space Marine. Removing it even for a short time would cause tremendous physical trauma and likely drive them insane.

Thats generally what I'm trying to say, The Retributors are insane, even before signing up! When you're insane, can you get any insaner?

Besides, the chapter master is a Watcher in The Dark, you've got to be insane (as a space marine) to follow a hooded xenos!

No marine is willingly going to leave their chapter. Also marines don't have anything to lose so there is no sense of loss for them to feel. All they have is their fellow battle brothers and the chapter they belong to. As they are pretty much always fighting the enemies of mankind, there is no need for them to join another group that does exactly the same thing.
Particularly with Dark Angels and their successor chapters, the veterans are all sworn to hunt the fallen. There is no way that they would join another group to fight personal enemies and if they did, well their own former brothers would hunt them down and kill them as traitors, never mind the inquisition.

Marines leaving their chapter for another sounds like fluff for a renegade chapter. There's also no need for a marine to replace their geneseed, once they're a marine, they're a marine. It doesn't matter who they end up fighting for.




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Watcher in the Dark as Chapter master? No way. What you're describing is a renegade chapter, maybe secretly recruited from disgruntled marines, working for a xenos species that is fighting chaos.

hmmmm. Yes I see. Would it be possible to call them renegades, but still use the generic codex? BTW I play with a very loose background "corectness" group.

Now given that marines don't willingly leave their chapter, there would have to be some pretty amazing circumstances to compel them to become a heretic and join up with a xenos. Obviously this is possible as just look at how many end up joining chaos, obviously not every marine is as happy with their life as the brochures claim.


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Generic codex would be fine as I guess these marines are still loyal to the emperor in their hearts, but the inquisition would kill them in an instant.


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You may also want to think about limiting the vehicles they can use to show that they don't have the support of the mechanicum. On the other hand, if your friends are okay with it, each squad could replace one special weapon with a xenos weapon to show that they are allied with xenos.

If the xenos in mind- a mysterious, hooded, and extremely short figure-turned out to be a slaaneshi daemon, would it not be able to care for Psychologically-scarred marines and slowly seduce him into following it to battle, along with several similar marines. And so, the marines would not exactly know that they were under the sway of chaos, but had been sotraumatised that they would do anything for the brief release from their suffering.
Also, I bet if you offered a dark angel a chance to go and fight the evil dark angel dude described in the codex(not lucifer, but the other one who I cant remember the name of), or a Ultramarine venerable Dreadnought to fight The Hive fleet that destroyed so many brave heroes, they would hop on the closest crusade ship and throw in their lot with other chapters.

Pagarus wrote:a mysterious, hooded, and extremely short figure

Squats?

No, as n my earlier post, the chapter master is a watcher in the dark, and nobody knows what a watcher in the dark looks like underneath the cloak.

Yeah I read that but, how often does a good reference, however untentional, like that come up for the little guys. I'd say go for it, the HQ just corrupts their geneseed after making promises of it being an elite group that they just advance to. Like a hidden company of their chapters.

The watchers in the dark are hooded Moogles.

Thanks Not_u. Will do!

Also, they would probly be more khorne if they were bent on the murder of their specific enemies? Not slaanesh, they would be too busy cutting themselves and futiley trying to get high.

I think the watchers in the dark are probably Jawas.

cadbren wrote:I think the watchers in the dark are probably Jawas.

Hooteenee!

A space marine leaving his last chapter to fight under a xenos flag while abandoning his previous primarch's geneseed? Which is in essence abandoning the emperor to seek revenge?

I think we would first see Lion El' give Luther a big ol' hug before we saw that.

1)Yes, you can call them renegades and still use the loyalist rules, nothing says you cant.

2) There are plenty of reasons for marines leaving their chapter and joining something else. Chaotic influence, influence from an as of yet unknown god. Dreams given to them by the emperor that says they must do so. They would most likely be called renegades or traitors for doing these things though. There really is no way to maintain loyalist status while being under a xenos flag.

3)the current chaos codex is set up for renegade chapters, but really only those worshipping chaos in some fashion (undivided at least). You could still use the codex's entries, make models to count as (ie using the oblits rules, designing a model for your chapter that would have those rules for some reason, and playing the model as a counts-as oblit in games), and not be worshipping chaos. It is really up to you.

4)Do what you want, as long as you can back it up with fluff that makes a tiny bit of sense it is up to you to take the 40k fluff and run wild with it, GW encourages doing so.

They are certainly renegades and heretics, not that there's anything wrong with that. However, they are definately going to have problems if the Inquisition gets a sniff of them.

No problem with using the SM codex - it's entirely appropriate for a renegade or recently gone to chaos chapter. The chaos marine codex is more for chapters that have been worshipping chaos long enough that they've got plenty of weirdos and mutants.

I would suggest that you make them a renegade but not chaotic chapter that attracts malcontents and zealots. I would drop the geneseed removal - it doesn't really work in the greater fluff and it doesn't really contribute to your chapter.

You may want to check out the DIY chapter forum on Bolter and Chainsword for lots more help and ideas.

I think your Ideas of Zealots s a great idea! Ty!
Thanks Everyne for contributing, as I have learnt a lot from it, and now have some much more feasible fluff thought up !