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Anyone know why the CSM DP is a lot better than the Chaos Daemons one? No only that, but the CSM one is an HQ choice, where it should belong. I find it extremely frustrating, because I'd like to use DPs more often in my Chaos Daemons army, but they're expensive and compete with Soul Grinders for Heavy slots.

CSM DP costs 30pts more, but has +1S and a 3+ Sv. Wings cost 20pts instead of 60pts. If I wanted to buy an equivalent one, it'd cost 190pts vs 130pts for the same unit except in a Heavy slot.

Sorry, just had to rant a little.

On the same topic, how many CSM players out there use 2 DPs? I know I would if I played CSM.

As for using them in a Daemons list, I'd only use them if I was going MC heavy, with two Greater Daemons and two DPs. Thoughts?

I believe at leats part of it is that the units placement in the demons codex is to do with the hierarchy of the warp. Being once/half mortal the DPs are looked down upon by the other "pure" demons.

As for the different costs that is, or should be, purely a game balancing issue.

In a chaos Daemon Army, You can take really powerful Greater Daemon HQs and at the same time take up to 3 Daemon Princes. In an attempt to keep 5 Daemon MC Lists from being really broken, they made the Daemon Prince cost more. At least, that is what It looks like to me.

Could you imagine if they were the exact same, and you could take 3 MoN and Warptime Princes, and then 2 GUOs? It would be too stacked.

I'd agree about the fluff reasons for not being HQ, except that in the codex it says they 'often act as lieutenants to Greater Daemons'. Pure daemons may look down on them, but they have intelligence and initiative from being mortal that other daemons might not, making them good leaders.

I'd like to run a 5 MC list, but DPs and GDs are a little overpriced IMO (except the named ones). As it stands, taking 3 Soul Grinders seems to be more effective and cheaper anyway. That way I also save enough points to take those two GDs anyway.

My point is, I don't think it's really possible to avoid cheese. Someone will always find a way. If you try and write a codex that can't be made cheesy, all you do is make that army not competitive compared to the others (Daemons are already severely gimped competitively due to the random nature of Daemonic Assault).

I say make all lists capable of cheese, that way everyone is even and can pull out the cheese just for fun.