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migooo wrote: The problem with a free AoS mini is that it's constantly rammed down your throat mockingly saying we destroyed everything you loved about warhammer.
They have turned it into this bland amorphous soulless thing, unless the mini is something like the White Dwarf, though I suspect he will be called the Smokey Duradin or something, ill pass.
No, you're reading all of that into it. Especially the mockingly, etc. Nothing's being rammed down your throat. It's simply that GW has moved on from WHFB and you're hurt and angry about it.
While it's clear that you're mostly just angry about AoS, I'll reply anyway. My opinion is much more pragmatic. I've bought a ton of AoS stuff to date, though I have no interest in their (to me) silly AoS background. If I were a recent player of WHFB, I'd have decided to continue playing 8th (or 5th, or 3rd), moved to either 9th Age or KoW by now. Or even all of them, since they're almost entirely cross-compatible.
Since I binned WHFB back in 5th because HeroHammer holds no interest for me, I play KoW, but I "use" the WHFB background for my games and models (except when I'm using LotR armies, or Historical mash-ups, etc) because, like yourself, I hold an emotional attachment to the WHFB world and background, as well as appreciate the 30 years of layering involved. But... I've bought quite a lot of "AoS" models. And I do intend to play the game a little once the General's Handbook comes out. I'll use the models across both KoW for my "large block fantasy battle" games, and also in AoS using the original WHFB background for my games, with a few tweaks like I always have.
I'll use Fyreslayers as a sub-cult of Dwarven Slayers (in my KoW army based on WHFB fluff). I'll include the Orruk Brutes alongside the (KoW) Orc army, by using them with the Ogre army rules as particularly great big fething orcs. I'll use the contents of my multiple "Start Collecting: Seraphon" boxes using the KoW Salamander rules, and use them as Lizardmen instead of Lizard Space Angels because WTFLOLBBQ. Khorne guys will be Khorne guys. I'll work out something for Sigmarines that fits and works for me. Maybe they can even be Sigmarines, but as a faction making incursions into The Old World rather than the actual AoS background.
All of this will pretty much only be in my own head, or in stories when I "forge the narrative" with my actual friends and such, so whatever GW does with the background, I'll happily feel free to ignore and continue to do so except when they come up with something that actually takes my fancy. I've still got all my WHFB books (kept for fluff) and all my WHFRP stuff. I've got my 3rd edition rulebook, my Slaves to Darkness and my Lost and the Damned. No-one took them away from me when they End Times-ed The Old World, so I'll continue to take what I like and ignore the rest...
So yeah, I'll happily take the free White Dwarf miniature. You can feel free to send me yours as well if you like.
I agree, I use 9th age and modhiem for my fantasy games. I've stayed with second ed 40k since third.
However. If they reset 40k and changed say for example space marines into misshapen mutants that serve Calgar as a new god. Nuke Khorne because he's too angry. Turn the eldar into a fascist oppressive regime that suppresses humanity. Kill off orks, and Tyranids and release little pages for them but removing the minatures. It's not the same is it?
I bought the tzangors. That's it. I probably won't buy the WD. I won't support a game that feels shoehorned in just to make Sigmarines.
Azazelx wrote: I think it's more about having a substantive comment to make rather than a snarky single sentence. While I'm used to decades of WD being a monthly catalogue to sell their newest releases, I've got no problem with it being a more substantial hobby magazine that's less focused on pushing the newest releases. Though I can't see it really ever not being that, I'll be happy to see if they try.
I'll be paying for my subscription next week.
If I make more substantial posts that outline my reasoning and engage with people who disagree I get PM's from mods telling me I'm not following the super sekrit rule about only posting positive happy rainbow sunshine funtime opinions, so as instructed I am now going to post my view whatever it is and then walk away from the topic until some new bit of information comes forward to comment on.
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I would just assume they give us a credit to buy the mini we want.
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
English as a 2nd language - meaning this would be my preference. Not that I think that will occur.
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
If it is the helmeted Slaughterpriest as per Chikout's post on that other thread that's a lovely model, and easily convertable for me. Subscription just paid for itself!
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
Do you have to post a negative reply to every GW thread going? Are you that bitter now?
If you don't like what I have to say, use the ignore feature. Like I'm about to, since I'm as tired of seeing certain folk moan every time someone has a different opinion as you apparently are of seeing different opinions.
As others have said, back up your comments with an actual opinion and maybe we can actually discuss it. Why do you feel a move away from advertising, and a move towards a more hobby centric magazine is a step back?
Or maybe you *are* just posting negativity for the sake of it...
JohnnyHell wrote: If it is the helmeted Slaughterpriest as per Chikout's post on that other thread that's a lovely model, and easily convertable for me. Subscription just paid for itself!
That would be surprising since that is also the leader included in the KBBSC box
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Uriels_Flame wrote: I would just assume they give us a credit to buy the mini we want.
You may have meant "I would just as soon they give us a credit". That works and it sounds similar. =) I don't see it happening, but yeah, that would be great!
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I suspect it's not going to have any more hobby content from going monthly,
more likely it will retain the hobby content of the weekly version,
and swap the 'ooh cool new stuff that some haven't seen leaked online' for visions 'ooh cool stuff painted all fancy and nice with some emphasis on the previous months releases'
By not focusing on the new hotness week to week, they'll cut down on leaks and as a result the magazine will hopefully be less about the new hotness, and more about general hobby stuff like it used to be. I'm very hopeful, and getting a free mini or two out of it is icing on the cake!
Azazelx wrote: I think it's more about having a substantive comment to make rather than a snarky single sentence. While I'm used to decades of WD being a monthly catalogue to sell their newest releases, I've got no problem with it being a more substantial hobby magazine that's less focused on pushing the newest releases. Though I can't see it really ever not being that, I'll be happy to see if they try.
I'll be paying for my subscription next week.
If I make more substantial posts that outline my reasoning and engage with people who disagree I get PM's from mods telling me I'm not following the super sekrit rule about only posting positive happy rainbow sunshine funtime opinions, so as instructed I am now going to post my view whatever it is and then walk away from the topic until some new bit of information comes forward to comment on.
please tell me this site is not going down the censor pole that bols and warseer is
Brother SRM wrote: By not focusing on the new hotness week to week, they'll cut down on leaks and as a result the magazine will hopefully be less about the new hotness, and more about general hobby stuff like it used to be. I'm very hopeful, and getting a free mini or two out of it is icing on the cake!
And cutting down on the "leaks" will just kill the excitement for future products. This still mind boggles me why GW would not want to share what they are working on. Again two steps forward, one step back. I still find GW petty when it comes to this.
That said, at least the two steps forward GW is doing really good right now. Well for GW standards that is.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Brother SRM wrote: By not focusing on the new hotness week to week, they'll cut down on leaks and as a result the magazine will hopefully be less about the new hotness, and more about general hobby stuff like it used to be. I'm very hopeful, and getting a free mini or two out of it is icing on the cake!
And cutting down on the "leaks" will just kill the excitement for future products. This still mind boggles me why GW would not want to share what they are working on. Again two steps forward, one step back. I still find GW petty when it comes to this.
That said, at least the two steps forward GW is doing really good right now. Well for GW standards that is.
Funny how there was even more leaks and further in advance than week before WD went weekly...Yeah WD needs to be weekly to have leaks yes it does! NOT!
Week early leak isn't much of excitement anyway. Better source of excitement comes from guys like Sad Panda, hastings etc who gives out ideas MONTHS ahead. That does not require weekly wd.
Here is my two cents. White Dwarf Weekly was a disaster. The desicion to make white dwarf a weekly magazine was to support the new weekly release schedule for gw. A weekly release schedule is a good idea. It gets customers into stores and onto the website every week. It drives engagement in the brand.
White dwarf weekly was designed as a promotional tool to support this. The reality has been the opposite. Every single white dwarf weekly has leaked early on sites like this one.
Any Gw fan with any Internet savvy ( which is everyone these days) can see the new releases here without needing to visit a store, the website or buy the magazine.
Fan websites are not moderated by Gw, are often visited former fans or fans of rival companies. The reaction to new models is always mixed at best. However accurate the reactions may be, the message is outside of gw's control. If people are not interested in a release they will not visit the official website or store at all.
With the leaked new release pictures often taking up half the magazine, there is very little reason left to buy it. Paint splatter is for babies. ( to paint a blood angel red, use some red paint etc etc). There are rarely any actual articles at all.
So now we come to the new monthly white dwarf. The benefits of a long format magazine are obvious. Long format articles, battle reports etc.
The most interesting choice is the decision to make the magazine a review of the previous month instead of a preview.
I personally think this is a genius idea for the following reasons.
1- gw will be able to react to leaks. Before with white dwarf being a promotional website, if gw put high res photos out early it would directly impact sales of the magazine. Now with promotion being done primarily on line it allows Gw to be much more nimble.
2- They can control the message. Pictures of new minis will first appear on the Gw Facebook pages or the official website.They will be high quality, rather than the potato phone stuff we see now.These places are carefully moderated largely positive areas of the Internet. It will good first experience for potential new comers to the hobby.
3 - it allows the magazine to be a hobby magazine, perhaps moreso than at any time in its history.
4- it frees gw to do promotion far in advance of releases in much the way that forgeworld does now. We have already seen the start of this with gorechosen and lost patrol.
Of course gw could completely mess it up and produce a terrible magazine but I think there is considerable cause for optimism.
If I make more substantial posts that outline my reasoning and engage with people who disagree I get PM's from mods telling me I'm not following the super sekrit rule about only posting positive happy rainbow sunshine funtime opinions, so as instructed I am now going to post my view whatever it is and then walk away from the topic until some new bit of information comes forward to comment on.
I think you're being unrealistic in terms of what's asked and unfair to the mods there. I'm personally far from a "sweetness and light" poster, and I very, very rarely get asked to tone it down. The secret is to be rational, substantial - and ideally - give credit where it's due. Regardless of the company or topic in question. Walking into a thread only to drop a snarkpost and then leave is a waste of your time as well as everyone else's and only serves to brand yourself as a bitter troll because it's essentially textbook troll behaviour - which I'm sure is far from your own self-opinion or rationale.
Look at Chikout's post just above this one about WDW. It's critical and far from sweetness and light, but also has something substantive to say and is fair and rational.
more likely it will retain the hobby content of the weekly version,
and swap the 'ooh cool new stuff that some haven't seen leaked online' for visions 'ooh cool stuff painted all fancy and nice with some emphasis on the previous months releases'
It really depends. They've been making a lot of positive moves lately, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, which I haven't for the past few years until very recently. It wasn't long ago that I hadn't bought a non-FWGW product for quite some time, and was actively hoping they would get bought out by Hasbro. I think the plan is for Visions to go Quarterly, which would be fine, and for more pics but also more hobby to go into the new WD.
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It really depends. They've been making a lot of positive moves lately, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, which I haven't for the past few years until very recently. It wasn't long ago that I hadn't bought a non-FWGW product for quite some time, and was actively hoping they would get bought out by Hasbro. I think the plan is for Visions to go Quarterly, which would be fine, and for more pics but also more hobby to go into the new WD.
Yeah. Apart from still silly prices on individual boxes(boxed sets are good deals though) they have been improving a lot lately. Guess new direction(and guys) new CEO brought in did have some effect!
Funny how there was even more leaks and further in advance than week before WD went weekly...Yeah WD needs to be weekly to have leaks yes it does! NOT!
Week early leak isn't much of excitement anyway. Better source of excitement comes from guys like Sad Panda, hastings etc who gives out ideas MONTHS ahead. That does not require weekly wd.
For those who remember, one of the reasons often cited here for them shutting down previews and "leaks" was because of the then-imminent Hobbit films, and some NDA with New Line Cinema and their licence terms. Obviously, that's a long-gone factor of the past now, and FW has continued to build excitement with previews while somehow maintaining lots of goodwill despite being in the same bloody building as GW "proper". I'd be hopeful that Lost Patrol, the Khorne Boardgame and the General's Handbook - not to mention Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus, etc (yes, I know - FW) having such long preview times are indicative of a changing culture at GW.
It really depends. They've been making a lot of positive moves lately, so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, which I haven't for the past few years until very recently. It wasn't long ago that I hadn't bought a non-FWGW product for quite some time, and was actively hoping they would get bought out by Hasbro. I think the plan is for Visions to go Quarterly, which would be fine, and for more pics but also more hobby to go into the new WD.
Yeah. Apart from still silly prices on individual boxes(boxed sets are good deals though) they have been improving a lot lately. Guess new direction(and guys) new CEO brought in did have some effect!
It's probably worth pointing out that Aussie prices are still insanoballs, so almost all of what I buy I import from overseas.
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Sadly, the "single free" mini only serves to remind me how overpriced their character minis are these days. ( And it's not likely that you could build a cost-efficient squad by buying multiple copies of the WD, so the term "free" is misleading anyways.)
I'd always thought the reason behind the secrecy at GW was fallout from the days when a replacement for one of the existing codexes would be announced and they saw a dramatic dip in purchases for the associated minis (and existing books) - until after the new codex dropped.
Azazelx wrote: For those who remember, one of the reasons often cited here for them shutting down previews and "leaks" was because of the then-imminent Hobbit films, and some NDA with New Line Cinema and their licence terms. Obviously, that's a long-gone factor of the past now, and FW has continued to build excitement with previews while somehow maintaining lots of goodwill despite being in the same bloody building as GW "proper". I'd be hopeful that Lost Patrol, the Khorne Boardgame and the General's Handbook - not to mention Blood Bowl, Adeptus Titanicus, etc (yes, I know - FW) having such long preview times are indicative of a changing culture at GW.
Didn't know that but makes sense. NLC did want to control leaks quite a bit even when LOTR was released.
I just reread couple old WD's from '90's and there were also previews of stuff to come ahead of time. Ah good times.
(also mentions of preorder system that looked like one where you could get models sooner than they were officially in stores? Not sure since I didn't buy anywhere but finnish store back then)
It's probably worth pointing out that Aussie prices are still insanoballs, so almost all of what I buy I import from overseas.
Well cross-currency prices are always off though Aussie prices are even more ridiculously off than most.
Guess I'm lucky in that I can order from UK post free(and wider variety of models and auxiliary stuff than from finnish stores to boot. From local stores good luck combining vallejo/citadel air and miniatures. If it's possible prepare for weeks waiting...)
I agree, I use 9th age and modhiem for my fantasy games. I've stayed with second ed 40k since third.
However. If they reset 40k and changed say for example space marines into misshapen mutants that serve Calgar as a new god. Nuke Khorne because he's too angry. Turn the eldar into a fascist oppressive regime that suppresses humanity. Kill off orks, and Tyranids and release little pages for them but removing the minatures. It's not the same is it?
I bought the tzangors. That's it. I probably won't buy the WD. I won't support a game that feels shoehorned in just to make Sigmarines.
I'd just do what I did with WHFB when it became HeroHammer - long before it became AoS.
Continue to take what I want from the lore and buy the models that look good enough to justify the monies spent, and use the stuff I like that I already own or even an alternate ruleset. I've been a 40k guy since Rogue Trader, and these days the rules are such a clusterfeth that I can't get back into the game. I'm hoping hard for some kind of hard rules reset since it seems that Warpath has gone down the rules fail road instead. Still, I'm buying, painting and modelling, and when I get playing again it looks like it'll be a slightly customised 5th edition unless 40k8 comes in like the chosen one and fixes the godawful mess that the rules currently are in. There's no obligation to support or even like AoS or Sigmarines. To me the issues around posting are entirely about respect for those who enjoy things that I might not. Not going out of my way to piss on other people's parades with one-liners or posts made purely of bile while still discussing my opinions in a rational way.
At the same time. I am bloody annoyed that they discontinued the TK and Bretonnian lines before I could buy everything I want - but they didn't take my existing models, and there's still rules for using them in WHFB 8, 9th Age, KoW and even AoS. And Perry Miniatures and Wargods of Aegyptus are both very much things that exist, not to mention Mantic's Empire of Dust. My Squats from RT have Forge Fathers to hang with these days, and any number of Scrunts if I could get past Bob Olley's style...
FWIW, I do like the Sigmarine models, though I think a lot of the AoS background is pants-on-head silly. I haven't yet figured out how I'll work them into my own games, in terms of background. Perhaps as some kind of Seraphim force, possibly still based around Sigmar. Probably using Ogre or Basiliean (or both) rules in KoW, and set in The Old World. Or my version of it.
I've got ideas for my Fyreslayers to make them generally less (imo) silly as well, though I need to do some modelling tests to see if I can pull it off before I say anything more specific. I'll probably use the WQ:ST model as the guinea pig.
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Stormonu wrote: Sadly, the "single free" mini only serves to remind me how overpriced their character minis are these days. ( And it's not likely that you could build a cost-efficient squad by buying multiple copies of the WD, so the term "free" is misleading anyways.)
You're right, that is pretty sad. You've got to be pretty jaded to look at a model giveaway and say that it just reminds you how expensive the rest of it is, and you'd need to buy more stuff to use it in a game anyway. Kind of thing someone's Dad would say.
On the whole people get into warhammer for the models, I think, so giving away a model with a magazine is a pretty cool move that a lot of people are going to get a kick out of. When they did the stormcast cover mount for WDW it sold like crazy. They used to do it more often when I was a kid, if I recall, although I don't know exactly how often - just remember it happening a few times
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A new series of Warhammer 40,000 comics is on the way.
What we've seen of the first story, Will of Iron, is looking great. If you're a White Dwarf subscriber, you'll be getting the first look, with an exclusive 'Issue #0' included in a future issue.
https://www.games-workshop.com/White-Dwarf-12-Month-Sub-201… Speak to your local comic shop about stocking the new series.
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BTW - I'm still confused about transitioning my current subscription to the new subscription...
Have they released an updated app for E-version of WD yet?
Do I need to sign up again yet? So sort of confused...
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k - DOW III
angelofvengeance wrote: When exactly was the last time GW had more than one mini as a cover mount?
I believe that was with AoBR (Terminator and Ork Nob) or 7th ed. Warhammer (Dwarf Warrior and Night Goblin Spearman). There were also 2 tiles give away free shortly after Mighty Empires was released as well.
An interesting tidbit courtesy of Miniwars is that the first 4 issues of the new white dwarf will come with a free gift. We know two of them: the slaughter priest and the comic. I wonder what the other two are. My money is on something to tie into the second Horus board game and something to tie into bloodbowl.
Chikout wrote: An interesting tidbit courtesy of Miniwars is that the first 4 issues of the new white dwarf will come with a free gift. We know two of them: the slaughter priest and the comic. I wonder what the other two are. My money is on something to tie into the second Horus board game and something to tie into bloodbowl.
Do we *know* it's a slaughter priest? I thought that was just speculation at this point.
Chikout wrote: An interesting tidbit courtesy of Miniwars is that the first 4 issues of the new white dwarf will come with a free gift. We know two of them: the slaughter priest and the comic. I wonder what the other two are. My money is on something to tie into the second Horus board game and something to tie into bloodbowl.
No madam, 40,000 is the year that this game is set in. Not how much it costs. Though you may have a point. - GW Fulchester 
The Gatling Guns have flamethrowers on them because this is 40k 
2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
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