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Cannot express the excitement for this Dex....been playing Thousand Sons for Twenty years. Any news on the Mutalith stats?

Honestly, if forgeworld would just do some Tzeentch Themed vehicle sprues, all would be well...

That’s actually a pretty big deal. Warptime becomes 9 inches and smite 24

Anaxagoras wrote:
Cannot express the excitement for this Dex....been playing Thousand Sons for Twenty years. Any news on the Mutalith stats?

Honestly, if forgeworld would just do some Tzeentch Themed vehicle sprues, all would be well...

From what I can gather its 150 points, str 7, T7, 5++ invul save (at least) monster keyword, gives aura buff, 4 melee attacks. however it is worthy to note that during eddies game on twitch stream the mutalith was already on its last leg so its quite possible its stats are better at full health due to degredation. so its all conjecture.

beyond that point; at 150 with a buff aura and decent overall stats? still pretty great sounding honestly, cheaper then any of the demon walkers by a decent margin.

Also a pretty big deal for Infernal Gateway and treason.

Glad I have one painted

ye assuming TS will have access to maulerfiends...

drakerocket wrote:
Also a pretty big deal for Infernal Gateway and treason.

And doombolt.

 Latro_ wrote:
ye assuming TS will have access to maulerfiends...

That's my concern too. It just seems odd they called out Helbrutes but not fiends.

Ahriman21 wrote:
we saw like 3 strategems, your goat-hate-lust is worthy of khorne himself.

if 30 rubrics is "at a minimum" then yes sir ill play at that minimum all day! ;-)

No, 30 is the way too much but if you want you can take that.

We will get the shoot in CC Strat.

I admit a price cut on rubrics, even a small one, would help a lot. But having a full strength sorc with a wide variety of powers, several of which are useful, might be fine enough to include them. Like, I will want death hex, warptime, gaze of fate, presience and the new illusion power basically every game every round. I want about 3-4 other daemon/dark hereticus powers more situationally. And that's without seeing the other 5 powers.

Their dual role becomes a much bigger deal with all of those powers in play. And it's not impossible that they will get a small points snip: plague marines, noise marines and berzerkers are all good this edition. When was the last time that happened? Maybe GW will for for 4/4.

 Thousand-Son-Sorcerer wrote:

Ahriman21 wrote:
we saw like 3 strategems, your goat-hate-lust is worthy of khorne himself.

if 30 rubrics is "at a minimum" then yes sir ill play at that minimum all day! ;-)

No, 30 is the way too much but if you want you can take that.

We will get the shoot in CC Strat.

Disagree sir. Ill take 30 and Ill win plenty of games with it.

I have been since the index came out

You can lament the loss of your rubricae, I haven't lost a single thing with them from list building. only gained. Barring rubrics shooting up in points dramatically they are fine, if anything they are fantastic with strategem and new spell support.

I think we’re just scratching the surface of spell utility, tsons will definatly have a very strong psychic phase and will want to take multiple sorcerers in order to benefit from the 18 powers available,

+6” to range opens up loads more tactics as it will boost the majority of powers, finally my 3 exaulted sorcerers may see some table time!!

I'm so sad about those warpcharge values. Seriously GW what the

Doombolt WC9
Bolt of Change WC8
Tzeentch firestorm WC9

I mean how are rubrics/scarabs/DP going to cast this? Only a 25% chance of pulling it off without bonuses to cast. with a 5.5% chance of blowing up.

Holy statistically it actually deals less damage then the 1 wound smite....

Ugh makes me so sad. Still crossing my fingers for some help with casting and some perils protection.....

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
ye assuming TS will have access to maulerfiends...

That's my concern too. It just seems odd they called out Helbrutes but not fiends.

I mean, they likely called out Hellbrutes due to the fact that most of the Thousand Sons are dust, and lacking the marine to be put in a Hellbrute. That's why it is mentioned they have a special explanation for them. There is no reason to think they would not have access to Daemon engines.

Zhan wrote:
I'm so sad about those warpcharge values. Seriously GW what the

Doombolt WC9
Bolt of Change WC8
Tzeentch firestorm WC9

I mean how are rubrics/scarabs/DP going to cast this? Only a 25% chance of pulling it off without bonuses to cast. with a 5.5% chance of blowing up.

Holy statistically it actually deals less damage then the 1 wound smite....

Ugh makes me so sad. Still crossing my fingers for some help with casting and some perils protection.....

Alot of Hereticus is a 6/7 cost to cast, I would imagine doombolt having such utility makes it more expensive, along with us having Cabalistic ritual for a +2 to a given spell being important.

Zhan wrote:
I'm so sad about those warpcharge values. Seriously GW what the

Doombolt WC9
Bolt of Change WC8
Tzeentch firestorm WC9

I mean how are rubrics/scarabs/DP going to cast this? Only a 25% chance of pulling it off without bonuses to cast. with a 5.5% chance of blowing up.

Holy statistically it actually deals less damage then the 1 wound smite....

Ugh makes me so sad. Still crossing my fingers for some help with casting and some perils protection.....

One way is to let Magnus handle those powers with his casting bonus, and give cheaper utility powers to other sorcerers. Another way is to leverage the Cabalistic Focus stratagem (which I'm sure will port over form the CSM codex).

Speaking of the CSM codex, if we assume that the Tzeentch/Thousand Sons powers in that book are coming over to this codex in addition to Dark Hereticus, the unique Thousand Sons spell list is starting to take shape:

1) Temporal Manipulation - We don't know what this does yet.
2) Weaver of Fates
3) Tzeentch's Firestorm
4) Doombolt
5) Glamour of Tzeentch
6) ??????????

I’m guessing the stratagem for 3 sorcerers nearby getting +2 to cast will make it over from chapter approved! Magnus and Ahriman both have decent casting bonuses, will be a case of some lower casting value powers being used by Sargents while the big boys handle the big powers,

IMO doombolt will go in every one of my lists! Half movement and no advance is just too good

Guyver 3 wrote:
I’m guessing the stratagem for 3 sorcerers nearby getting +2 to cast will make it over from chapter approved! Magnus and Ahriman both have decent casting bonuses, will be a case of some lower casting value powers being used by Sargents while the big boys handle the big powers,

IMO doombolt will go in every one of my lists! Half movement and no advance is just too good

Cast it on anything in Cataphractii armor to slow them down to 2" a round.

I'm curious about the potential for using Ahriman as a psychic murder machine; Infernal Gaze and Tzeentch's Firestorm are pretty weak psychic powers on their own, but when taking them both and doombolt you have a loooot of sniping potential. Any character within 36" of Ahriman would be under serious threat of just dying with no recourse.

Magnus Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit and re-roll 1s for psychic tests

Ahriman Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit.

Ahriman Warlord Trait: +1 invul (so 3++ base)

 Sasori wrote:

 Bulldogging wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
ye assuming TS will have access to maulerfiends...

That's my concern too. It just seems odd they called out Helbrutes but not fiends.

I mean, they likely called out Hellbrutes due to the fact that most of the Thousand Sons are dust, and lacking the marine to be put in a Hellbrute. That's why it is mentioned they have a special explanation for them. There is no reason to think they would not have access to Daemon engines.

Thats because helbrutes are not always members of your chapter. They also take prisoners and stuff them in it.

 Brometheus wrote:
Magnus Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit and re-roll 1s for psychic tests

Ahriman Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit.

Ahriman Warlord Trait: +1 invul (so 3++ base)

So I guess this means that the Exalted Sorcerer aura is re-roll 1s to hit? I'd be more excited if we weren't so heavily encouraged to run a daemon prince anyways to pick up Gaze of Fate, lol.

Great news on the Magnus aura, though.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
Magnus Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit and re-roll 1s for psychic tests

Ahriman Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit.

Ahriman Warlord Trait: +1 invul (so 3++ base)

So I guess this means that the Exalted Sorcerer aura is re-roll 1s to hit? I'd be more excited if we weren't so heavily encouraged to run a daemon prince anyways to pick up Gaze of Fate, lol.

Great news on the Magnus aura, though.

...you need Gaze of Fate for what exactly?

isn't that the power that was decried as totally worthless when the daemon codex dropped? I certainly don't see a ton of use in it. To me a daemon prince not running diabolic strength is just...doing it wrong...

the_scotsman wrote:

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Brometheus wrote:
Magnus Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit and re-roll 1s for psychic tests

Ahriman Aura: Re-roll 1s to hit.

Ahriman Warlord Trait: +1 invul (so 3++ base)

So I guess this means that the Exalted Sorcerer aura is re-roll 1s to hit? I'd be more excited if we weren't so heavily encouraged to run a daemon prince anyways to pick up Gaze of Fate, lol.

Great news on the Magnus aura, though.

...you need Gaze of Fate for what exactly?

isn't that the power that was decried as totally worthless when the daemon codex dropped? I certainly don't see a ton of use in it. To me a daemon prince not running diabolic strength is just...doing it wrong...

You must be thinking of Infernal Gateway, Gaze of Fate is the power that gives a free dice re-roll every turn.

The Daemon Prince of Tzeentch gets two powers now so you can take Gaze and Diabolic Strength.

Zhan wrote:
I'm so sad about those warpcharge values. Seriously GW what the

Doombolt WC9
Bolt of Change WC8
Tzeentch firestorm WC9

I mean how are rubrics/scarabs/DP going to cast this? Only a 25% chance of pulling it off without bonuses to cast. with a 5.5% chance of blowing up.

Holy statistically it actually deals less damage then the 1 wound smite....

Ugh makes me so sad. Still crossing my fingers for some help with casting and some perils protection.....

I'm going to tell you what other people told me.

Stop whining.

No word on exalteds. I got what I got.

Re: Gaze of Fate, I wish Ahriman could take it. It's nice to use it for, say, a predator tank re-rolling lascannon damage without taking a CP from the Thousand Sons stratagems...

 Ghaz wrote:

Brian888 wrote:
It's confirmed on 40K's Facebook page that Brotherhood of Sorcerers is the 6" Legion trait.

Would this increase the 3" on Infernal Gateway to 9"?

It wouldn't apply to the psychic power's effects, only the range to the unit it's targeting, I think.

Brian888 wrote:

Zhan wrote:
I'm so sad about those warpcharge values. Seriously GW what the

Doombolt WC9
Bolt of Change WC8
Tzeentch firestorm WC9

I mean how are rubrics/scarabs/DP going to cast this? Only a 25% chance of pulling it off without bonuses to cast. with a 5.5% chance of blowing up.

Holy statistically it actually deals less damage then the 1 wound smite....

Ugh makes me so sad. Still crossing my fingers for some help with casting and some perils protection.....

One way is to let Magnus handle those powers with his casting bonus, and give cheaper utility powers to other sorcerers. Another way is to leverage the Cabalistic Focus stratagem (which I'm sure will port over form the CSM codex).

Speaking of the CSM codex, if we assume that the Tzeentch/Thousand Sons powers in that book are coming over to this codex in addition to Dark Hereticus, the unique Thousand Sons spell list is starting to take shape:

1) Temporal Manipulation - We don't know what this does yet.
2) Weaver of Fates
3) Tzeentch's Firestorm
4) Doombolt
5) Glamour of Tzeentch
6) ??????????

Or we assume they don't. They leave the Weaver of fates and Firestorm as part of the CSM portion and we have all our spells names.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Brian888 wrote:
It's confirmed on 40K's Facebook page that Brotherhood of Sorcerers is the 6" Legion trait.

Would this increase the 3" on Infernal Gateway to 9"?

Even though I don’t think it works that way you know someone will try it!!