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I'm planning a force to thwomp my friends marines bad enough to encourage him to collect a non MEQ army. Can people who have used the lash/plague/oblit bulid with success, and those who have beaten it, tell me how to use it well, what to watch out for, and the variations on it? (ei; defilers, termies etc)

You are going to use MEQs to convince him not to play MEQs? It sounds like you are setting him up to start a second MEQ army.

I know him pretty well, and anticipate that once he figures out that outnumbering+force modifiers can probably wollop it, he'll finally get the ork army that he's been flirting with the idea of for months.

Ktulhut wrote:I'm planning a force to thwomp my friends marines bad enough to encourage him to collect a non MEQ army. Can people who have used the lash/plague/oblit bulid with success, and those who have beaten it, tell me how to use it well, what to watch out for, and the variations on it? (ei; defilers, termies etc)

Tell him it will get awfully boring to lash/plasmacannon all those Assault Marines and Death Companies to death game after game. I really can't see any downsides of playing the best CSM setup with one Land Raider and the always taken 9 Obliterators except he might get bored of beating all the casual gamers.

Ktulhut wrote:I'm planning a force to thwomp my friends marines bad enough to encourage him to collect a non MEQ army.

Buying, building, painting and even learning the rules to play an army takes a lot of work, let your friend play what he wants.

Ktulhut wrote:I'm planning a force to thwomp my friends marines bad enough to encourage him to collect a non MEQ army. Can people who have used the lash/plague/oblit bulid with success, and those who have beaten it, tell me how to use it well, what to watch out for, and the variations on it? (ei; defilers, termies etc)

In my opinion, the weak point of the list is the Lash Prince because everyone hates Lash and will see it dead quickly. Plus with all the anti-Psyker gear out there, its harder to rely on Lash to work.

How to beat it?
Str 8+ on oblits.
Small arms on DPs.
Mech up.

Force Concentrate on PM's that are kicked out of their cans..and mission objectives.

Sanctjud wrote:How to beat it?
Str 8+ on oblits.
Small arms on DPs.
Mech up.

Force Concentrate on PM's that are kicked out of their cans..and mission objectives.

Sanctjud speaks the truth

Sanctjud just about sums it up. But I'll add in some details anyways:

Low AP weapons work well against Daemon Princes, Obliterators, Rhinos, and Plague Marines alike. Likewise with Power Weapons, but it's easier (not to mention safer) for you to just shoot this army up. This is good because beside the Daemon Prince (though not really compared to other Daemon Princes) it really gives up the Chaos Space Marine strength, which is close combat power.

Target Obliterators, Daemon Princes, and then Plague Marines, in that order.