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Aero Hobbies will be hosting another 40k RTT on Saturday April 24th.

There is limited seating, a $10 entry fee and prize support. Details are here: http://www.chaoswins.com/2010/03/playing-sprue-posse-rtt-at-aero-boyz.html

Just a reminder that this tournament is just around the corner: Next Saturday, April 24th.

There are a still a few slots left. There is approximately $150 worth of prize support and payouts for top 3 generals and best painted.

If you're in the Southern California area I hope you can make it!

I will be there playing instead of judging this time... and bringing the cheese to boot! I'd love to see some of my homies there!

Not sure if the wife will let me make it but I'll see if I can. I'd love to get some practice in at 1,500pts

That'd rock. I've got a nid army that'll fall over to your long fangs!

And nobody is going to hate on your comp haha...

I'll see you there shep. I've even already gave my entry fee to Absolute blue. is Gitsmack playing? I don't think my orky paintjobs can hold a candle to his beautiful army.

Grimgob wrote:I'll see you there shep. I've even already gave my entry fee to Absolute blue. is Gitsmack playing? I don't think my orky paintjobs can hold a candle to his beautiful army.

He won best painted last tourney, so he is not eligible, unless he brings a different army. The door is wide open haha

So is this tournie filled up yet and how late does it run in the day/night on the 24th?

I can't say if it is full or not, but I was told it is three 2 hour rounds with a half hour lunch, and the aero hobbies calendar lists it as going from 11am-6pm, which sounds about right.

Not filled just yet. I think there are 2 or 3 spots currently open.

yakface wrote:
So is this tournie filled up yet and how late does it run in the day/night on the 24th?

Muahahaha! My evil scheme to make you play more 40k may yet bear fruit!

Sadly, I won't be able to attend. I somehow managed to promise I'd attend a house-warming party at exactly the same time and since I did a tournament last weekend as well, there's really no way for me to back out of this engagement.

Good luck to everyone!

too bad, I was hoping someone would be there playing tau...because I sure as hell am not

Congrats to Sergio Alvarez for winning with his Blood Angels list.

Complete standings, army lists and pictures are here:

http://www.chaoswins.com/2010/04/playing-sprue-posse-rtt-424-results.html

We'll be doing this again in June. Thanks to everyone who came out to play.

You guys let Sergio win?

I played that army last week, and it is tough. The fast vehicles, baals and Mephiston are rough.

I want to see Shep's batreps and learn from his mistakes.

Lesson 1:

Don't let abbadon near meph

frenrik wrote:Lesson 1:

Don't let abbadon near meph

I know the answer to this but I will ask it anyways, how are those Baals working out for you?

Not to bad. They do soak up a lot of firepower that would be going to the razorbacks.

Flamestorm on the other hand, I'm not sold on. Scary, but then you are in melta/melee range after you use it once, and usually at least one person survives

How did the flamestorms do in your other games?

Their success or lack thereof in our game really came down to the plague marines being lucky enough to keep making the FNP rolls for the melta guys. If I had failed on that even once I think you would have ended up getting an extra round of shooting out and wiping them out and winning the game for sure, since I always missed with one melta anyway.

Blackmoor wrote:I want to see Shep's batreps and learn from his mistakes.

Ahh yes... I thought briefly about writing batreps, but then it was going to turn in to a frustrated manifesto of all that is wrong with nids...

Here is a taste...

What i learned in the tourney is that tyranids have no place in CC with the big boys. The mere existence of the storm shield is the death knell of trygons and hive tyrants. Couple that stormshield with a thunderhammer or power fist, and factor in the complete lack of invulnerable save, and you have a recipe for disaster. Now mephiston comes along and not only goes before nids, but wounds them quite easily and can instant death them with a force weapon. Our best bet to get through ridiculously high quality invulnerable saves that are paired with ridiculously devastating CC attacks is just to swamp with super gants. Bypass the invulnerable altogether, marginalize the quality CC attack and hope your opponent fails some saves.

To that end, the only MCs i'm interested in either make termagants, make them better, or shoot extremely well.

Brace for hyperbole. In a world with mephiston, vulkan/pedro powered THSS, and TWC overpopulating tourney tables, and with the only popular non-CC army rocking an average of 60 points per unit speedbumps, trying to actually spend points on CC is just asking for a tabling. The new nid plan is to marginalize enemy CC by forcing them to chew through super cheap units that can potentially cause some wounding, and try to shoot down non-cc threats.

Game 1 I played a non-optimised, friendly IG list and left him with just a single veteran unit that was about to be charged by a tervigon at game end.

Game 2 That win got me a ticket to fight against mephiston, who got a turn 2 charge on one of my tervigons that was on my own table edge. After that mephiston ate a charge from 30 termagants and a tyranid prime. Easily killing all of them, (i know right?) Then proceeded to charge my final tervigon, ruining my chances at winning the cap and control.

Game 3 Was kill points against an army with only 7 of them. 2 land raiders 3x5 terminators, belial and a dreadnought. It was an army I was more than capable of beating even with the major kill point stinginess. I immobilized both of the land raiders and killed everything else. that game ably demonstrates the difference between storm shield or not. In a world without stormshields, tervigons, harpies and tyranid primes are scary. As they should be. I won that game 5 KP to 4.

New list (theoretically built to handle blood angels, vulkan/pedro space marines and space wolves)

tervigon adrenal glands toxin sacs catalyst

3x hive guard
3x hive guard
2x hive guard

tervigon adrenal glands toxin sacs catalyst
tervigon adrenal glands toxin sacs catalyst
10x termagants
14x termagants

tyrannofex rupture cannon
tyrannofex rupture cannon
tyrannofex rupture cannon

About as boring in my opinion as it gets (although i was just told my IG armies are boring since all i do is shoot) Its not about beating anyone down, you'll never table a solid list. if there are margins of victory in each game, it is highly unlikely you'll win a tournament. But in a straight W/L/D tourney, you could invade enough objectives with fearless tarpits, and cut enough firepower and mobility in the early turns with shooting that you can win objective games. its really about sloing the game down to a halt and standing in the right places when it ends. The vampire counts of 40k...

Interesting, Shep. I'm not quite willing to give up on Zoanthropes completely, but I understand why you choose to do without. 3 T-fexes seems a little wacky, but I imagine their primary role involves standing in front of the Tervigons.

I have plans for Mephiston at the 'Ard Boyz level. They involve the Swarmlord and some Tyrant Guards w/Lash Whips.

Janthkin wrote:Interesting, Shep. I'm not quite willing to give up on Zoanthropes completely, but I understand why you choose to do without.

They shoot well, (and have storm shields!) so they are in my 'good units' list.

Janthkin wrote:3 T-fexes seems a little wacky, but I imagine their primary role involves standing in front of the Tervigons.

Yeah 2x strength 10 shots and a 4+ invulnerable save to target tervigon You seem to have figured out their dual purpose role rather quickly.

Janthkin wrote:I have plans for Mephiston at the 'Ard Boyz level. They involve the Swarmlord and some Tyrant Guards w/Lash Whips.

Kill him! Take pictures and detailed notes so i can enjoy him getting stomped vicariously through you! I hope the FAQ is out before then. If swarmlord can't be transfixing gaze'd and can't be picked out as an IC in CC, then you will just eat his lunch. The trick is going to just be luring him into a fight with you. He is a quick one We.... are.... sloooooow

Shep wrote:

Janthkin wrote:I have plans for Mephiston at the 'Ard Boyz level. They involve the Swarmlord and some Tyrant Guards w/Lash Whips.

Kill him! Take pictures and detailed notes so i can enjoy him getting stomped vicariously through you! I hope the FAQ is out before then. If swarmlord can't be transfixing gaze'd and can't be picked out as an IC in CC, then you will just eat his lunch. The trick is going to just be luring him into a fight with you. He is a quick one We.... are.... sloooooow

My local store uses the INAT, so while I'm denied the Reserves bonuses, I at least get the benefit of a useful Tyrant Guard interpretation.

I've largely adopted the "Bowling Ball of Doom" formation that an ork Kan-wall uses to such good effect. Put the Swarmlord in the center of the formation, and spawn some screening 'gants around the perimeter, and if Mephiston wants to fight anything, he'll have to come close enough to play.

Shep wrote:

Ahh yes... I thought briefly about writing batreps, but then it was going to turn in to a frustrated manifesto of all that is wrong with nids...

That sounds like me after my Tzeentch Chaos got crushed by the 5th edition codexes.


I am switching to the 'nids and I think there are some tools in your tools chest that you are overlooking.

Take the humble Tyranid Warrior. With Lashwhips and Boneswords are a deadly combo. Everyone strikes at Int 1 and you hit with a power weapon that wounds everything on a 4+. Everyone is worried about strength 8 shooting, but with the TMC charging down there throat, they have other issues than a couple of mid-sized bugs. Screen them with gant screen or also add a tyranid prime to catch all of the big shots, and you are in good shape.

Blackmoor wrote:I am switching to the 'nids and I think there are some tools in your tools chest that you are overlooking.

Take the humble Tyranid Warrior. With Lashwhips and Boneswords are a deadly combo. Everyone strikes at Int 1 and you hit with a power weapon that wounds everything on a 4+. Everyone is worried about strength 8 shooting, but with the TMC charging down there throat, they have other issues than a couple of mid-sized bugs. Screen them with gant screen or also add a tyranid prime to catch all of the big shots, and you are in good shape.

I look forward to hearing of your experiences with your Warrior-bugs, Allan. I suspect you'll find that 40+ pts/model for T4 Warriors isn't quite a good as you might hope, even if they do beat face in HtH.

Another 'nid variant I'm curious about (but will probably never try) involves the Parasite, two bunches of Gargoyles, and some CC-equipped Shrikes. Some stay-at-home Tervigons to ensure enough scoring units, and probably some Hive Guard to crack open rhinos for your gargoyles to munch on.

I like the flying Tyrant w/2xDevourers and old adversary behind a unit or 2 of 20 gargs w/poison and furious charge. It's just nasty!

Blackmoor wrote:Take the humble Tyranid Warrior. With Lashwhips and Boneswords are a deadly combo. Everyone strikes at Int 1 and you hit with a power weapon that wounds everything on a 4+. Everyone is worried about strength 8 shooting, but with the TMC charging down there throat, they have other issues than a couple of mid-sized bugs. Screen them with gant screen or also add a tyranid prime to catch all of the big shots, and you are in good shape.

Its not the strength 8 shooting you should worry about, its the thunderhammer/power fist. Run into a couple wolf guard battle leaders with hammer and shield on thunderwolf mounts, or just the not-so-humbel assault terminator unit. Boneswords snap in half against storm shields, followed by 3x wounds per hit thunderhammers. you may even kill a couple terminators before they go, but the remaining three will deal 4 wounds back if they are vulkan or pedro powered. Not only do you lose 4 warriors, but you actually lost combat by 10. Take 10 more 4+s. Its not hte shooting that they are succeptable to. They just live in storm shield world and power fist world, and they have protection against neither.

Hulksmash wrote:I like the flying Tyrant w/2xDevourers and old adversary behind a unit or 2 of 20 gargs w/poison and furious charge. It's just nasty!

I'll try that. My most recent iteration of guard at 2k points has 21 armor 12 vehicles in it. While this grouping of nids looks pretty intimidating when facing off against infantry models, I wonder if the gargoyles can generate enough crew shakens to make it worthwhile. I am definitely gonna give it a try.

How do you fit 21 AV12 vehicles? You need to PM me that list

And I think the Gargs can generate enough if the gun line doesn't move.

Congrats to the winners, and nice one Lambadomy!

A friend of mine runs the Parasite and that little bastard is annoying as can be.

He runs him in a giant gargoyle brood where he can't be targeted because he is an IC. He uses the brood as flying cover for his other units (Gargoyles are very large and can easily give cover to TMC's) and then as a disruption unit.

The instant death on a 6 is frustrating too, the Parasite has a large number of attacks and as such pulls it off frequently.

I have the beginnings of a bug army and want to hear more about people's tournament experiences. I was thinking of a list not too dissimilar to what Shep was proposing, myself.

Dave Fay is a long time Nid player, the first person I ever saw to run Nidzilla, and he has cooked up a list for Nids that sounds pretty damn nasty, although I doubt he wants me posting it on the net. I think we will probably see it in the not too distant future though, I know I was looking forward to seeing how it worked in reality as on paper it was nasty.


So, Aero hobbies is having another tournament in June? I will try and make it. We have the Invasion Conquest in June too and I am running the SD Marathon so I think I have at least two weekends free that month, i'd like to come up and play in one.

Shep wrote:
Its not the strength 8 shooting you should worry about, its the thunderhammer/power fist. Run into a couple wolf guard battle leaders with hammer and shield on thunderwolf mounts, or just the not-so-humbel assault terminator unit. Boneswords snap in half against storm shields, followed by 3x wounds per hit thunderhammers. you may even kill a couple terminators before they go, but the remaining three will deal 4 wounds back if they are vulkan or pedro powered. Not only do you lose 4 warriors, but you actually lost combat by 10. Take 10 more 4+s. Its not hte shooting that they are succeptable to. They just live in storm shield world and power fist world, and they have protection against neither.

Here is the problem with using those units to compare to see how your units will do is that those 2 units are alpha predators with no peer. Everyone has trouble killing them so you should not dismiss them because of that match up. Also if you do the math hammer, they will still give a good accounting of themselves.