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I was under the impression that if the weapon ignored the target's armor save, it would also cancel their FNP. The wording was something to the effect of "against any attack against which an armor save can never be taken, FNP may not be used", and I took this to mean that if the specific model being attacked could not make an armor save against the attack, it would also be denied FNP. So I'm taking it to mean the proper interpretation of this is that AP 1 or 2 weapons (or instant death) remove FNP, but not weapons that just straight up deny the armor save of the specific model (such as an AP3 weapon against a Plague Marine?)

Correct, only AP 1 and 2 weapons cancel FNP (and instant death and so on).

As models with a 2+ Save can take their saves against AP3 weapons, it is not true that an armour save can never be taken against AP3 weapons. What the save of the model is isn't important for determining that.

Warboss Tufgrim wrote:Correct, only AP 1 and 2 weapons cancel FNP (and instant death and so on).

As models with a 2+ Save can take their saves against AP3 weapons, it is not true that an armour save can never be taken against AP3 weapons. What the save of the model is isn't important for determining that.

Seconded, ap3 alone does not negate fnp on anyone, even models with a 6+ or no armor save.
The examples given (Power fists, DCCWs and so on) and the wording of the sentence (against which NO armor save can EVER be taken) should make it clear.

Ahhhrgh this is like the 4th thread on this in a week.

In short: For Attacks that don't cause Instant Death, if something, somewhere, at some point, could possibly get an armour save from it, it doesn't negate FNP.

Thank you for the speedy replies, I appreciate it.

Ahhhrgh this is like the 4th thread on this in a week.

My bad. Search function and all that, I suppose. Forgive?

Shelegelah wrote:My bad. Search function and all that, I suppose. Forgive?

Of course. I wasn't going Ahhhrgh at you, I was going Ahhhrgh at the Search function

Shelegelah wrote:Thank you for the speedy replies, I appreciate it.

Ahhhrgh this is like the 4th thread on this in a week.

My bad. Search function and all that, I suppose. Forgive?

Alot of forums have pretty average search engines I find, I prefer to use google generally.

Try running a search with "site:dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/" at the start of it, and it will only look through dakkadakka's forums for your search terms.

Drunkspleen wrote:
Try running a search with "site:dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/" at the start of it, and it will only look through dakkadakka's forums for your search terms.

I think that should get put somewhere we can always use it.

I've been playing that wrong!

Thanks for the clarification, I had no idea I was doing it wrong!

Sasori wrote:I've been playing that wrong!

Thanks for the clarification, I had no idea I was doing it wrong!

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