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I was playing with friend earlier today and he had a Necron lord joined up in scarab unit. Using scarabs as "meat"shield.
Now, i couldnt find any reason so far why independent character can't join a swarm unit. But the question is does the IC also take double wounds 'cause scarabs have vulnerable to blast/templates rule?

Thunder555 wrote:I was playing with friend earlier today and he had a Necron lord joined up in scarab unit. Using scarabs as "meat"shield.
Now, i couldnt find any reason so far why independent character can't join a swarm unit. But the question is does the IC also take double wounds 'cause scarabs have vulnerable to blast/templates rule?

No, only the models who have Vulnerable to Blasts/Templates take double wounds.

So, for example:
A Necron Lord with 5 Scarabs are fired on by a Salvo of Frag Missiles and take a total of 9 Hits, of which 8 wound. The Defending Player allocates 1 wound to the Lord and the remaining 7 to the Scarabs. After saves, the Lord has Failed his one and the Scarabs have failed 4. The Necron Lord thus takes a single wound (as he his not VtB/T) while the Scarabs now take a total of 8 Wounds, as per VtB/T.

No, as when you allocate wounds you allocate to the IC as it is a seperate group. You then wound the IC and, if it fails any you find out that the IC does NOT have VtB, and so doesnt take double wounds.

It's doubly hilarious when the Lord has Lightning Field. I managed to make a Destroyer Lord + Scarab swarm take out a squad of kitted out Bloodcrushers during an RTT last Halloween thanks to LF abuse.

Gwar! wrote:So, for example:
A Necron Lord with 5 Scarabs are fired on by a Salvo of Frag Missiles and take a total of 9 Hits, of which 8 wound. The Defending Player allocates 1 wound to the Lord and the remaining 7 to the Scarabs. After saves, the Lord has Failed his one and the Scarabs have failed 4. The Necron Lord thus takes a single wound (as he his not VtB/T) while the Scarabs now take a total of 8 Wounds, as per VtB/T.

So the Necron Lord wouldn't be affected by scarabs "stealth" rule either?

Thunder555 wrote:

Gwar! wrote:So, for example:
A Necron Lord with 5 Scarabs are fired on by a Salvo of Frag Missiles and take a total of 9 Hits, of which 8 wound. The Defending Player allocates 1 wound to the Lord and the remaining 7 to the Scarabs. After saves, the Lord has Failed his one and the Scarabs have failed 4. The Necron Lord thus takes a single wound (as he his not VtB/T) while the Scarabs now take a total of 8 Wounds, as per VtB/T.

So the Necron Lord wouldn't be affected by scarabs "stealth" rule either?

Nope. Stealth is not conferred to ICs joining units with Stealth unless otherwise specified.

Gwar! wrote:

Thunder555 wrote:I was playing with friend earlier today and he had a Necron lord joined up in scarab unit. Using scarabs as "meat"shield.
Now, i couldnt find any reason so far why independent character can't join a swarm unit. But the question is does the IC also take double wounds 'cause scarabs have vulnerable to blast/templates rule?

No, only the models who have Vulnerable to Blasts/Templates take double wounds.

So, for example:
A Necron Lord with 5 Scarabs are fired on by a Salvo of Frag Missiles and take a total of 9 Hits, of which 8 wound. The Defending Player allocates 1 wound to the Lord and the remaining 7 to the Scarabs. After saves, the Lord has Failed his one and the Scarabs have failed 4. The Necron Lord thus takes a single wound (as he his not VtB/T) while the Scarabs now take a total of 8 Wounds, as per VtB/T.

The only exception to this of course, is if the Necron player is attempting to claim that scarabs benefit from the stealth USR and the Small Target rule in the Codex for a combined total of +2 to cover saves. In this case, the scarabs would similarly suffer from both the Vulnerable to Blasts/Templates USR as well as the Vulnerable to Blasts rule in the Necron Codex.

Because the VtB rule from the codex says that template, ordnance, and blast weapons "inflict two wounds instead of one" then you have twice as many wounds to assign, before taking saves, that is, for each successful "to wound" roll, two wounds must be assigned.


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puma713 wrote:Nope. Stealth is not conferred to ICs joining units with Stealth unless otherwise specified.

Many people would argue that stealth applies to the whole unit because of the wording on it, and it's not something lost by the scarabs when an IC joins who doesn't have it.

Scarabs do not lose Stealth when an IC joins them, as according to the rules on page 74 (which clearly state WHICH USRs are lost when an IC joins the unit). Therefore, the unit will have Stealth until the scarabs die. That's all that matters.

Otherwise, you'd have Fearless units with characters breaking from them one at a time, which doesn't make any damn sense according to the rules OR theme.

Broken Loose wrote:Scarabs do not lose Stealth when an IC joins them, as according to the rules on page 74 (which clearly state WHICH USRs are lost when an IC joins the unit). Therefore, the unit will have Stealth until the scarabs die. That's all that matters.

Otherwise, you'd have Fearless units with characters breaking from them one at a time, which doesn't make any damn sense according to the rules OR theme.

Scarabs don't have Stealth, they have "Small Target".

Unless you are playing with house rules...

Gwar! wrote:

Broken Loose wrote:Scarabs do not lose Stealth when an IC joins them, as according to the rules on page 74 (which clearly state WHICH USRs are lost when an IC joins the unit). Therefore, the unit will have Stealth until the scarabs die. That's all that matters.

Otherwise, you'd have Fearless units with characters breaking from them one at a time, which doesn't make any damn sense according to the rules OR theme.

Scarabs don't have Stealth, they have "Small Target".

Unless you are playing with house rules...

I see what you did there.

Because I'm sure you are aware that the FAQ replaces the scarabs "swarms" rule with the USR of the same name.