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Can a PBS use Weaken Resolve from a transport that has any of these properties?
a. Moved cruising or flat out
b. Used smoke launchers
c. Has no fire points

Weaken Resolve is not a shooting attack, and only requires LOS and range. Speed and Smoke only say they prevent the passengers from shooting. I can't find anything concrete about fire points and LOS for things that are not shooting. Orders from a chimera say measure range and LOS from any point on the hull, but that is a chimera rule so only a precedent.

Now that I think about it, can IG orders be issued from a. or b. as well?

A: No

B: Yes

C: No

What logic did you use to come to those conclusions? Just saying yes or no doesn't resolve much.

Gestalt wrote:Can a PBS use Weaken Resolve from a transport that has any of these properties?
a. Moved cruising or flat out
b. Used smoke launchers
c. Has no fire points

Weaken Resolve is not a shooting attack, and only requires LOS and range. Speed and Smoke only say they prevent the passengers from shooting. I can't find anything concrete about fire points and LOS for things that are not shooting. Orders from a chimera say measure range and LOS from any point on the hull, but that is a chimera rule so only a precedent.

Now that I think about it, can IG orders be issued from a. or b. as well?

If you use the INAT FAQ, the answer is Yes, No and No, but RaW "B" is yes. I think Warboss is under the impression that WR is a Shooting power, which it is not.

As for Orders, they can only be issued from a Chimera, but you can do it when the Chimera went Cruising Speed or Popped smoke no problem.

Gestalt wrote:What logic did you use to come to those conclusions? Just saying yes or no doesn't resolve much.

Because all psychic powers require a firepoint unless specifically stated otherwise.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Gestalt wrote:What logic did you use to come to those conclusions? Just saying yes or no doesn't resolve much.

Because all psychic powers require a firepoint unless specifically stated otherwise.

True, so you cannot use it when on a no Fire Point transport, but can use it from a Chimera thats gone Cruising because it only needs a fire point and isn't shooting so you can use it

I looked in the INAT faq and didnt see anything saying B was a no. It just refers to shooting.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Because all psychic powers require a firepoint unless specifically stated otherwise.

Where is this rule? What about a power that is not shooting and does not require LOS? Can you not use it without a fire point?

Gestalt wrote:I looked in the INAT faq and didnt see anything saying B was a no. It just refers to shooting.

Huh, my mistake then. So the answer is Yes, Yes and No then.

A I already Explained. B because that's the RaW and C because if you have no Fire Points, you cannot ever draw LoS.

The transport section in the BRB actually says you need a firepoint to use psychic powers from a transport, and it doesn't make a distinction of whether the power requires LoS or not.

It says a fire point may be used to use a psychic power, not that a power can only be used from a fire point and nothing else. If a fire point is the only way to use a power in a vehicle, psykers cannot use powers in open topped vehicles which have no fire points and open topped refers only to shooting.

If a power did not require LOS and was not a shooting attack it would not need to use a fire point. I don't know of any powers that do that off the top of my head so its more of a thought experiment pointing out a rule that should be clarified.

Well, you have permission to use a fire point to use your psychic power, but you dont have permission otherwise. Now, given this is a permissive ruleset what do you think you are allowed to do?

Eldar FAQ covers this, btw

Ah, yes I was under the impression it was a psychic shooting attack. My bad.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Well, you have permission to use a fire point to use your psychic power, but you dont have permission otherwise. Now, given this is a permissive ruleset what do you think you are allowed to do?

Well it's easy to skew the answer when you make up facts like "but you don't have permission otherwhise", the fire point reference to psychic powers simply allows a fire point to be used for a psychic power, it does not mean that psychic powers cannot be used without them, anything which does not require LOS can be used without needing a fire point.

Huh?

No, permissive ruleset - you are given permission to use psychic powers *which are not PSA* without having a fire point, however ANY PSA must still use a fire point, regardless of it needing LOS.

Now, what type of attack is Weaken Resolve again? Ah right, a PSA....

If by PSA you mean Psychic Shooting Attack, well, you're wrong, It's not a shooting attack, even tho it occurs in the shooting phase.

Except it cannot be used without a firepoint, as it requires LOS.

Meaning the FAQ answer about psychic powers not requiring LOS being used fvrom vehicles without a firepoint does not apply, as it requires LOS.

So you still only have permission to use a fire point to use psychic powers, unless it is something that is not PSA and does not need LOS.

Didn't dispute that part, yes, it requires LOS and that means it needs a firepoint to be used from inside a vehicle. We're in agreement there.

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Now, what type of attack is Weaken Resolve again? Ah right, a PSA....

This is the part I'm disagreeing with. All I said is it's not a Psychic Shooting Attack. Which means that the transport can move Cruising speed and you can still cast it. Couldn't do that if it wa a PSA...................

I was getting thatand the S:X one confused, it was a long running thread.

I do wish they would state things are "normal" and "shooting" psychic attacks, rather than having to infer it isnt...