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Just what the title says, I've usually run my Plasma CCS in a chimera with the 3x plasma and medic, but I was told the other day that while riskier, the 4x plasma and carapace amror is much more effective. I'm split, for me, 5+ then FNP is better than a 4+, it increases the survivability of the squad much more. On the other hand, 4x plasma is dead killy. What do you dakkalites think about this?

This should probably go in tactics, not YDMC.

I've always used the 3x Plasma and a Medic. Not only is it better for your Gets Hot!, but it also provides some protection from AP4/AP3.

Ok, good, it got moved. Anyone else?

I run a Marine Command Squad loaded up with Plasma and a Apthicary and it is worth the price
Carapace armor helps to

I just run 4xplasma, with carapace armor if I have the points left.

Go ahead and take a plasma pistol as well - the value in terms of shots/price isn't as a good, but the commander has 3 wounds do Gets Hot! effects from it become negligible.

Really though, it's best to take plasma in an Inquisitor's retinue - the warrior henchmen there some with a 4+ save by default, so you save some points. 80 points for 3 BS4 plasma guns is a great deal, and then you can just drop them into a spare chimera.

4 x plasma, but I use Platoon Command squads instead of Company Commands.

Why would you put them in a PCS? 20 points more for 1 more point into BS sounds like it would be worth it to me, and plasma is more expensive than melta so it should get priority to take advantage of that BS4.

I would give you a 24" LAW...

Whoa, 4x plas in a PCS? That's asking to miss a lot.

To each his own, I guess, I give mine 4x flamers and they're pretty sweet.

The 4x plasma is really more effective if you are shooting from whithin the transport at high priority targets, like space marines and monstruous creatures. But its more specialised. They cant go out of the chimera as safely. They are less effective when they dont have their favorite targets to shoot at. Every unit in there is worth roughly 30 points imo. Each shot that come out of those guns has a 1/12 chance to kill the model. That`s the equivalent of spending 2.5 points a shot. (Or 3.6 per 'hit'). In the open, you will usually inflict a wound for (4.2-5.2 pts) That`s a good trade, to kill a space marine. Much less for an ork. But if the thing is in cover, oh man, it get up to (8.4-10.4 pts) per wound! That`s crasy, you`d be better with melta at that point! (and this is why plasma is dieing). You'd be better off not to shoot and move somewere else.

The 3x plasma and medic is more of an all-around usefull and fun unit if you want to make use of your commander. They are much better when they get out of the transport to shoot, they dont represent such important targets for heavy bolters and flamers, and its easyer to fit 3 plasma in LOS around the car. They stand a better change when they get assaulted too. You can actually go crasy and put a power first on your commander in that squad and it wont be completly wasted. Also, its pretty

makr wrote:Why would you put them in a PCS? 20 points more for 1 more point into BS sounds like it would be worth it to me, and plasma is more expensive than melta so it should get priority to take advantage of that BS4.

Cause the CCS is back there giving my heavy weapons twin-linked with orders, or rallying units with orders, or.... well, you get the drift, they're back behind the firing line providing morale and support and boosting the line unit's efficiency. Let the PCS go out and run suicide missions with four plasma (or yes, I do four flamers and four meltas sometimes as well, innfact, the meltas are my standard all-comers option). And sure they miss a lot. But sometimes they hit a lot too.............

4xplasma, no protective upgrades - carapace doesn't make a huge difference, medics mean you pay more and can't have as many in the first place.

I-bounty-hunt-the-elderly wrote:4xplasma, no protective upgrades - carapace doesn't make a huge difference, medics mean you pay more and can't have as many in the first place.

i second this opinion! i Spend more points on the weapon than on the troops defense.

3 plasma guy myself, but if I have the points I also toss in a plasma pistol so I get 7 shots instead of 8 with FNP for 30 points more.

Only someone who hunts the elderly could so callously remove the armor and medics of his command squads.

But I agree also, especially if they're meant to be in a Chimera

I been running 4 Meltas Astropath in my CCS. I want the 4 Meltas that you can use bring it down on if you really need a Land Raider dead.

If I want plasmas I run them on Veterans in Chimera or Inquisitor + Warriors in a Chimera. Inquisitor + Plasma Gun Warriors is actually a good place for Plasma guns as its 60 pts for 3 plasma gun warriors and they have bs4 and a 4+ save.

If I had to run Plasma in a CCS I probably would run 4 Plasma and only add Carapace if I had the points to spare.

4x plasma + carapace is better because:

A) guardsmen die... thats rule no 1. in the guard afterall
B) they can do more damage before they die
C) medic will not prevent them from dying, with 3 plasmas and medic you will have 1/3 dead guy per rapid fire salvo, with 4 plasmas and carapace you will have 2/3 dead guy per salvo. Thats not a big difference in casaulties but is in killyness
D) after their rapidfire what is left of their targets (it shouldnt be there, 4th plasma will help wih that, medic not) will rip them apart medic or no medic.
E) read a) carefully again several times.

Elite inquisitor with combiplasma and 3x Warriors with plasma

90 points, uses rarely utilized Elite slots, and everybody has 4+ carapace except the Inq who has 3+ power armor.

Cheaper, slightly more durable, no competition for slots, and can hop a ride in a spare chimera.

It's the best of both worlds.

sourclams wrote:Elite inquisitor with combiplasma and 3x Warriors with plasma

90 points, uses rarely utilized Elite slots, and everybody has 4+ carapace except the Inq who has 3+ power armor.

Cheaper, slightly more durable, no competition for slots, and can hop a ride in a spare chimera.

It's the best of both worlds.

do you give the Inquisitor any "toys"? or is he just there for the 3 plasmaguns?

The elite? combi weapon, maybe. Otherwise, no. He's the 20 point unlock that gets you cheap plasma.

sourclams wrote:Elite inquisitor with combiplasma and 3x Warriors with plasma

90 points, uses rarely utilized Elite slots, and everybody has 4+ carapace except the Inq who has 3+ power armor.

Cheaper, slightly more durable, no competition for slots, and can hop a ride in a spare chimera.

It's the best of both worlds.

Good idea, but I'm asking for the thoughts on CCS, not inquisitor.