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I know this has probably been asked out here before, but I couldn't find it with search. So here goes:
The rules *seem* to state that the only time AP does *anything* is when it is equal to or less than the Sv+. However, for some reason I got the notion that I can't explain away that AP that is greater than a target model's Sv+ ignores rolled saves that are equal to or greater than that AP.

For instance, two vignettes:

1. Unit A fires at Model B with a AP5 weapon. Model B has a Sv+4. Unit A's AP is useless against this model. Player rolls armor save and saves on a 4, 5, or 6.

2. Unit A fires at Model B with an AP5 weapon. Model B has a Sv+4. Unit A's armor save can only save him if he rolls a 4, since AP5 would negate rolls of 5 or 6.

Which is correct?

In addition, I've seen on these forums that AP of any kind does not affect Necron WBB rolls (which last night's newb match probably would have turned out differently had my opponet conceded that assertion, which I had to concede instead to get the game moving), but can anyone spell out the exact letter of the law so that I can show the other guys out here in FOB Echo straight out of the book? It would be hard for me to convince the handful of players out here of a rule in my favor if I couldn't reference the exact terminology in the book to back it up.

Number 1 is correct.

And AP has nothing to do with WBB eligibility. Just show them the WBB rules in the Necron codex which has a specific listing of items that negate WBB. And AP is not on that list. Then tell them that WBB is NOT FNP, which is affected by AP values of 1 or 2.

don_mondo is, as most of the time () correct

AP ONLY negates the armour if it is less than or equal to your armour save. If it does not fulfill this then you take your armour save as normal - it is not modified at all by the shot. It's essentially binary - if you have a 3+ save, you either get your armour save or you dont, you dont have a 3rd option of "you get part of your armour save"

As for the last one - WBB clearly spells out what negates WBB, and it has NOTHING to do with Feel No Pain. It may do when they get revisited, but not for now!

nosferatu1001 wrote:don_mondo is, as most of the time () correct

Phhhbbbttttttttttttttttt

... Sounds like you've got mixed up with fantasy.

And even there, that isnt correct, as fantasy reduces you "+" save due to the strength of the hit, so a S4 shot reduxces you armour save from (e.g.) 3+ to 4+.

Would be nice if Krak Missiles could make Terminators take essentially a 6+ save though.

Nonsense, their armor penetrating values has no effect on the terminators armor.

willydstyle wrote:Nonsense, their armor penetrating values has no effect on the terminators armor.

Same with Battlecannons... Rofl

Oh crap. Look what I started...