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Can Blood angel Assalt marines charge after they have disembarked from there vehicle? Sorry. new to 5th edition game and need some Solid clarification.

Only vehicles with the assault vehicle rule/or open topped rule can have units disembark and asault in the same turn IIRC. So for Blood Angles only Land Raiders and Stormravens allow this.

Nicorex wrote:Only vehicles with the assault vehicle rule/or open topped rule can have units disembark and asault in the same turn IIRC. So for Blood Angles only Land Raiders and Stormravens allow this.

Thank you sir what i needed to know. I appreciate it.

Addenda to the above: IF the vehicle has not *yet* moved then ANY unit can assault in the same turn as disembarking.

Addenda#2:
If the land raider (BA) has deepstruck - they can't assault that turn (don't know if the blooodbloodbloodraven can deepstrike).

chromedog wrote:Addenda#2:
If the land raider (BA) has deepstruck - they can't assault that turn (don't know if the blooodbloodbloodraven can deepstrike).

Unless there happen to be Jump pack Vanguard in that deepstriking vehicle.

ductvader wrote:

chromedog wrote:Addenda#2:
If the land raider (BA) has deepstruck - they can't assault that turn (don't know if the blooodbloodbloodraven can deepstrike).

Unless there happen to be Jump pack Vanguard in that deepstriking vehicle.

Both the Stormraven and the Land Raider would actually prevent the Vanguard from doing it, because both of them do not grant the Assault Vehicle rule on the turn the vehicle deep strikes.

but they count as deepstriking if they disembark and then heroic intervention takes care of the rest

Actually Heroic Intervetion only takes care of the assault after deep striking part, they are still bound by the fact they disembarked from a vehicle without the "Assault Vehicle" rule that is not "Open Topped"

But I thought they counting as deepstriking if disembarked from the vehicle that turn

If there are multiple prohibitions against assault, then there need to be multiple rules allowing the assault.

Deep striking is a prohibition against assaulting. Disembarking from a non-open topped, non-assault vehicle is a prohibition against assaulting.
Heroic intervention only gets rid of one of those.

That doesn't follow any ruling I have ever read about.

How about the GW ruling that a model with fleet cannot disembark from a closed topped vehicle, run and then assault, citing the fact that they can assault after running to ignore the fact they disembarked, it's the exact same ruling pretty much.

It's absolutely clear cut with the Land Raider because it says "Note that a unit that Deep Strikes within a Land Raider cannot assault in the turn it arrives" so there's no room for interpretation there.

Meanwhile, with the Stormraven, the Skies of Blood rule which allows the models on board to deep strike doesn't function since when the Stormraven deep strikes it is only moving at cruising speed.

And it's Assault Vehicle rule says "Models disembarking from a Stormraven can launch an assault on the turn they do so (providing the Stormraven did not deep strike)"

The part of the rule in brackets makes the whole rule provide no functionality on the turn the Stormraven deep strikes(arguable the whole game thanks to bad wording, but I think RAI is clear enough), which means there is no difference between disembarking from the storm raven or disembarking from a rhino (other than the fact the embarked unit on the stormraven also performed a Deep Strike).

Even though the models count as having performed a deep strike (or rather, are considered to be a deep striking unit) they are still performing a disembark from a non open topped, non assault vehicle, transport, and thus without a special rule allowing the transported unit to assault from such a vehicle, they cannot.

ductvader wrote:That doesn't follow any ruling I have ever read about.

Your suggestion means having "Fleet" allows you to assault from a Falcon thast moved.

Being allowed to assault after running (Fleet) does NOT allow you to assault after geting out of a close topped, non-Assault ramp vehicle - there are 2 restrictions on assaulting, and you've only been given permission to remove ONE of the restrictions.

ductvader wrote:

chromedog wrote:Addenda#2:
If the land raider (BA) has deepstruck - they can't assault that turn (don't know if the blooodbloodbloodraven can deepstrike).

Unless there happen to be Jump pack Vanguard in that deepstriking vehicle.

uhhhh can a unit with jump packs be inside a vehicle?

visavismeyou wrote:

ductvader wrote:

chromedog wrote:Addenda#2:
If the land raider (BA) has deepstruck - they can't assault that turn (don't know if the blooodbloodbloodraven can deepstrike).

Unless there happen to be Jump pack Vanguard in that deepstriking vehicle.

uhhhh can a unit with jump packs be inside a vehicle?

If that vehicle happens to be a Stormraven...yes.

Cheexsta wrote:If that vehicle happens to be a Stormraven...yes.

Or a superheavy I believe.

ductvader wrote:but they count as deepstriking if they disembark and then heroic intervention takes care of the rest

Course, IIRC, heroic Intervention only works when they deep strike using their Jump Packs.................

don_mondo wrote:

ductvader wrote:but they count as deepstriking if they disembark and then heroic intervention takes care of the rest

Course, IIRC, heroic Intervention only works when they deep strike using their Jump Packs.................

Actually, Heroic Intervention works ONLY (and I quote) “arrive from reserve”. So even if you Use Skies of Blood from a Stormraven, it doesn't work.

don_mondo wrote:

ductvader wrote:but they count as deepstriking if they disembark and then heroic intervention takes care of the rest

Course, IIRC, heroic Intervention only works when they deep strike using their Jump Packs.................

Just says they need to have jump packs equipped to use it...doesn't say they had to deepstrike by jump pack.

ductvader wrote:

don_mondo wrote:

ductvader wrote:but they count as deepstriking if they disembark and then heroic intervention takes care of the rest

Course, IIRC, heroic Intervention only works when they deep strike using their Jump Packs.................

Just says they need to have jump packs equipped to use it...doesn't say they had to deepstrike by jump pack.

But as Gwar has pointed out, it only works on the turn that they arrive from reserve by deepstrike, which they can't possibly do in a Stormraven because on the turn it arrives by deepstrike they have to perform a stock standard disembark (because it only moved at cruising speed, not flat out) and lack the assault vehicle rule allowing them to assault after disembarking.